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    Right now i started lifting EOD, and the reason is so that my CNS can catch up and I can start growing. BUT on my days off im doing a little sprints and about 45mins to an hour of cardio. Does that cardio inbetween my lifting days effect my CNS and growth.
    --I am running 100mg prop EOD.

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    by CNS do you mean central nervous system? i hope it means something else.......

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    ya central nervous system

    rightt now im doing lifting everyday to let it catch up. I read somewhere that it needs to recover after the workouts in order to grow. Plus im a little sick right now so thats what im going with.

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    TRAINING

    Why does a muscle grow? Because it has to adapt. When you place stress on the muscle it must adaptto the added stress to continue to perform. So, to make the muscle grow, you have to train with 100% effort otherwise, the muscle will not adapt/grow. Now, using the above logic, for a set to be beneficial to your growth, it needs to be 100% effort. So, a 100% effort set of an exercise, will make you grow. Then, What is the point to do a second set of that exercise? You cannot go more than 100%. The muscle already has been taxed by 100% from the first set, so why should you do a second one? You will just eat into your recovery ability. So, you should only do one set to failure per exercise. Later on, I will describe the training program and how exercises and warm-ups are involved.

    A muscle will not grow until it's recovered. The muscle will not begin to recover until the nervous system is recovered. It takes roughly 24hours for the nervous system to recover from a workout. Only then will the muscle begin to recover and grow. So, you should never train 2 days in a row. Even if you train different bodyparts, you still use the same nervous system. You train 2 days in a row, your nervous system recovers, but by the time the muscles begin to, you train again, so the body has to concentrate again on recovering the nervous system. A training frequency of 3 days per week (Mon, Wed, Fri) is more than enough. Numerous pros, including myself, train like this offseason for maximum growth. Even if you use streroids, you still have to train like this. Steroids increase your recovery ability, but they also make you stronger at a quicker rate. The extra strength will give you the ability to train harder/tear more muscle tissue, so you will need the extra recovery that the steroids will give you.

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    The Idea of CNS burnout is relatively new and somewhat contraversial but as more studies are coming out it is gaining ground. It is called Central Fatigue do a google scholar, Pub-med or Highwire.com search by typing in the afore mentioned subject and see what you get.

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    Lex, why do you hope it means something else.

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    BTW muscle cells dont necessarily need neural input to grow and repair. Muscle cells in vitro can undergo hypertrophy when mechanical stimulations is applied. The gastrinemius muscle of rats are often used for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kostakv View Post
    TRAINING

    Why does a muscle grow? Because it has to adapt. When you place stress on the muscle it must adaptto the added stress to continue to perform. So, to make the muscle grow, you have to train with 100% effort otherwise, the muscle will not adapt/grow. Now, using the above logic, for a set to be beneficial to your growth, it needs to be 100% effort. So, a 100% effort set of an exercise, will make you grow. Then, What is the point to do a second set of that exercise? You cannot go more than 100%. The muscle already has been taxed by 100% from the first set, so why should you do a second one? You will just eat into your recovery ability. So, you should only do one set to failure per exercise. Later on, I will describe the training program and how exercises and warm-ups are involved.

    A muscle will not grow until it's recovered. The muscle will not begin to recover until the nervous system is recovered. It takes roughly 24hours for the nervous system to recover from a workout. Only then will the muscle begin to recover and grow. So, you should never train 2 days in a row. Even if you train different bodyparts, you still use the same nervous system. You train 2 days in a row, your nervous system recovers, but by the time the muscles begin to, you train again, so the body has to concentrate again on recovering the nervous system. A training frequency of 3 days per week (Mon, Wed, Fri) is more than enough. Numerous pros, including myself, train like this offseason for maximum growth. Even if you use streroids, you still have to train like this. Steroids increase your recovery ability, but they also make you stronger at a quicker rate. The extra strength will give you the ability to train harder/tear more muscle tissue, so you will need the extra recovery that the steroids will give you.
    where did you quote this from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IntenseAthlete View Post
    where did you quote this from?
    thats what im wondering..
    i know tons of functional strength training atheletes that train back to back w/ great success

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    [QUOTE=kostakv;3800916]TRAINING

    Why does a muscle grow? Because it has to adapt. When you place stress on the muscle it must adaptto the added stress to continue to perform. So, to make the muscle grow, you have to train with 100% effort otherwise, the muscle will not adapt/grow. Now, using the above logic, for a set to be beneficial to your growth, it needs to be 100% effort. So, a 100% effort set of an exercise, will make you grow. Then, What is the point to do a second set of that exercise? You cannot go more than 100%. The muscle already has been taxed by 100% from the first set, so why should you do a second one? You will just eat into your recovery ability. So, you should only do one set to failure per exercise. Later on, I will describe the training program and how exercises and warm-ups are involved.QUOTE]

    Me personally, I don't believe the "one set to failure" theory. No way man... Thats why you rest between sets, and the heavier you go the longer you wait between sets... of course it depends on exactly what your goals are, etc.. But EVERY SET should be done till failure I think, thats the 1st time Ive ever heard of anything like that just one set to failure idea.. weird...

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    ya thats the one thing about the quote I do not agree with.

    A muscle will not grow until it's recovered. The muscle will not begin to recover until the nervous system is recovered. It takes roughly 24hours for the nervous system to recover from a workout. Only then will the muscle begin to recover and grow. So, you should never train 2 days in a row. Even if you train different bodyparts, you still use the same nervous system. You train 2 days in a row, your nervous system recovers, but by the time the muscles begin to, you train again, so the body has to concentrate again on recovering the nervous system. A training frequency of 3 days per week (Mon, Wed, Fri) is more than enough. Numerous pros, including myself, train like this offseason for maximum growth. Even if you use streroids, you still have to train like this. Steroids increase your recovery ability, but they also make you stronger at a quicker rate. The extra strength will give you the ability to train harder/tear more muscle tissue, so you will need the extra recovery that the steroids will give you.

    Its a quote from Xtraxxl, training principles under training routines, and its the only thing they got so I guess they really sware by it.

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    My only question is sprints and jogging considered training inbtwn the lifting days.

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    yea, no one has answered the thread posters question. bump

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    Quote Originally Posted by kostakv View Post
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    Right now i started lifting EOD, and the reason is so that my CNS can catch up and I can start growing. BUT on my days off im doing a little sprints and about 45mins to an hour of cardio. Does that cardio inbetween my lifting days effect my CNS and growth.
    --I am running 100mg prop EOD.
    If your sprints are intense then you would be taxing your CNS.Keep them short and light.Cardio itself can be taxing but if you stay in a lower medium aerobic heartrate you should be fine.

    If you are hitting upper heart rates for short or extended periods(anaerobic HRts)you are definetly taxing your CNS and your muscle fibers but medium to light cadio has been proven to help recover muscles.Washing blood through the muscle flowing extra nutrients and cleansing of toxins removing lactate acid,free radicals and adding more oxygen ect.

    If you want to do those sprints, add them to your leg day as a warm up or a second workout later or earlier
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