In Need Of Expert Advice Please Help-new To Forum

**laxstud9** · 01-31-2008, 05:38 PM

Hows it goin everyone? Im new to the forum and just wanted some help. I am a former division 1 college athlete, and was only able to sauce basically in the summer due to drug testing. However, i am now a division 3 athlete and am looking for some advice on what I should be doing. I am 6'1'' 220 with a pretty athletic build, not necessarily chubby, but not cut up as i would like, and not all muscle. I have taken winstrol the past 2 summers and it definitely made a difference, however I am looking for something a little more intense. In about a month I want to start preparing for summer. I want to take something that is going to put on major muscle ( I am aware that serious lifting and nutrition is a must. I am not one of those take steroids and get big with out lifting people). Again, i want to put on some nice muscle without getting completely fat. After that cycle, a little closer to the summer I am looking to get cut up. I could be saying this all wrong on how I want to do it. That is why I am asking someone for some friendly advice on what it is I should be doing to acheive my goals. Get at me.... I appreciate it

**shifty_git** · 01-31-2008, 05:43 PM

look into a basic test cycle with a dbol kick starter.

test e @ 500mg per week for 12 weeks
dbol @ 30-40mg per day for the first 4 weeks.

and an 'AI' on hand to take while on cycle to keep water bloat 2 a minimum.

if your diet is in check your gains should be lean anyway.

then a full pct.

**ricker35910** · 01-31-2008, 05:45 PM

500mgs of test enanth or cyp per wk (250mg on mon and 250mg on thurs) and 300mgs of deca per wk. this is a good beginner cycle

**scaramouche** · 01-31-2008, 05:48 PM

yeh a simple test cycle shoud do it, personally i wouldnt add dbol but thats just me, i know a few guys who have added it in thier first proper test cycle and r glad they did

btw r u more or less likely to be tested now ur div 3? can u explain to us brits what the difference is

**Homer 8** · 01-31-2008, 05:51 PM

12 weeks far to long for him if he is to return back in season.. i would do 8 weeks of test and deca .. 500mgs test 400mgs deca.. depending what way it comes for u

**shifty_git** · 01-31-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Homer 8

12 weeks far to long for him if he is to return back in season.. i would do 8 weeks of test and deca.. 500mgs test 400mgs deca.. depending what way it comes for u

8 weeks of test and deca is no good - at 8 weeks if he's using test e he will only get 3-4 decent weeks on it max...

and also the test should run longer than the deca to help with recovery of the natty system.

if he only had 8 weeks id change it to test p and npp if he could handle the injections.

**Homer 8** · 01-31-2008, 05:58 PM

A newbie doing e.o.d injections doesnt go down to well.. and pain of prop is horrible for first timer. I understand wat your saying bout him only having maximising results for 3 weeks..
But from experience my first cycle i ran sust deca for 8 weeks.. i got some great gains like 16lbs.. Im assuming all he has off is 12 weeks till season starts prob not even with pre season training..
As for recovery after it research a proper PCT..

**shifty_git** · 01-31-2008, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by scaramouche

btw r u more or less likely to be tested now ur div 3? can u explain to us brits what the difference is

id like to know how that system works as well!

Originally Posted by Homer 8

A newbie doing e.o.d injections doesnt go down to well.. and pain of prop is horrible for first timer. I understand wat your saying bout him only having maximising results for 3 weeks..
But from experience my first cycle i ran sust deca for 8 weeks.. i got some great gains like 16lbs.. Im assuming all he has off is 12 weeks till season starts prob not even with pre season training..
As for recovery after it research a proper PCT..

well he said he had done winny before so was wondering if it was injectable or oral.. if injectable and not a problem with needles eod might be possible...

but i know where ya coming from.

how much time you go to play with lax?

**Homer 8** · 01-31-2008, 06:05 PM

Div 1.. is the next stop down from a professional athlete.. its the best of the best..
Div 3 is still a good division but a lot less focus on media and that etc therefore less likely to get tested..

I'm only copping now he done winny... I say we drink it.. LOL

**scaramouche** · 02-01-2008, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by shifty_git

8 weeks of test and deca is no good - at 8 weeks if he's using test e he will only get 3-4 decent weeks on it max...

agreed

Originally Posted by Homer 8

Div 1.. is the next stop down from a professional athlete.. its the best of the best..
Div 3 is still a good division but a lot less focus on media and that etc therefore less likely to get tested..

I'm only copping now he done winny... I say we drink it.. LOL

thanks for the clarification..

u can drink winny?

BG · 02-01-2008, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by shifty_git

if he only had 8 weeks id change it to test p and npp if he could handle the injections.

Even 6 weeks of this would be better then 8 weeks of cyp/deca .

As far as the question at hand, was winny tabs you used or water-based? If its your first time injecting and just overall I would go with test only, but make sure you know the downsides of using test (coming off).

**shifty_git** · 02-01-2008, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by T.R.D

If its your first time injecting and just overall I would go with test only, but make sure you know the downsides of using test (coming off).

One of the reasons that if i was involved in any level of pro sport i wouldnt like to juice...

Seeing such fluctuations in gains and improvements and level of my game, and relating that to juice on/off times.