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[mr.syringe]

here is my cycle

wk 1-3 40mg ed d'bol
wk 1-12 500mg decca
wk 1-12 750mg sust
letro .5 ed

here is my question, i know that with sust it should be injected eod, but i don't want to poke that many holes in myself, could i inject twice a week???
like on monday and thursday???

[Dukkit]

well... you could. because of the long esters in the sust. but you run the risk of increased sides because your blood levels will flucuate so much. the short esters will spike and then fall. then your long esters will kick in and spike. so your levels will be up and down. which means your hormones will be up and down. you will see better results and less sides with eod injections.

[Kale]

Yes you can it just means you wont get the benefit of the short esters but that is not such a big deal just means it will take longer to kick in. What are your age, stats, cycle and workout experience ?

[mr.syringe]

Yes you can it just means you wont get the benefit of the short esters but that is not such a big deal just means it will take longer to kick in. What are your age, stats, cycle and workout experience ?

i am 27 5'5" 170lb 12%bf 10years training 3rd cycle

[Big]

you need to stop the deca 2 weeks prior to the test.

[mr.syringe]

you need to stop the deca 2 weeks prior to the test.

thanks for the info, can you help me out with my pct, i clomid, letro, and novadex. but i am not too sure of the dosage i should be taking.... i just started the cycle so my pct will not be for a few months... but if you can help me now that would be even better

[Kale]

thanks for the info, can you help me out with my pct, i clomid, letro, and novadex. but i am not too sure of the dosage i should be taking.... i just started the cycle so my pct will not be for a few months... but if you can help me now that would be even better

Pheedno's PCT
My post cycle therapy consists of a three compound administration which is designed so that there is a primary and secondary LH stimulator which both are maximizing potential early in the duration; with the primary being phased out in extended protocol. With the addition of an Aromatase Inhibitor, which makes the above possible, the individual will also endure less of an increase in Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, which allows free testosterone levels to reach base line at a much quicker pace. The individual will also see less of a problem in most cases with sexual libido as the bounding SHBG is controlled(to an extent). Below you will find my suggested bare minimum, as well as a sample of an extended protocol. Extended PCT protcol is cycle length dependant so the below is not the standard for all cycles


PCT for cycles 8-16wks:
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

Extended protocol sample for a 12+ month cycle:
Day 1-15_ .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 16-45_.25mg L-dex + 75mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 46-65_.25mg L-dex + 20mg Nolva
Day 66-80_.25mg L-dex

Now IMO, selective estrogen receptor modulators(SERMs) such as Clomiphine and Tamoxifen are selective to which tissues they bind too. Clomid being selective to the suprapituitary, while Tamox is selective to breast, bone, and liver ERs. I've come to this conclusion based on the comparison of studies on both SERMs. In every study showing benefit to HPTA from tamoxifin, the duration of the administration is 3-12months(This includes studies cited by William Llewellyn in his Nolva vs Clomid article). In studies showing levels of LH, FSH, and Testosterone checked after short durations of tamox, they were either insignificant, or their was an actual drop. I believe this is because tamox selectively works at the mammery(as well as bone and liver), thus taking longer for LH stimulation to occur.
With clomid, benefit to gonadotrophin concentrations, LH, FSH, and serum testosterone can be seen in short periods of 2-6wks. Because of the apparent selective nature of the two, and given our usual PCT duration, clomid is by far superior at LH stimulation than Nolva. Now both is the wise choice for a couple of reasons:

1. Nolva acts as the preventive measure to the estrogen flux
occured PC while clomid is the primary LH stimulator(Even more so in the case an AI is not used).
2. If your running a longer PCT, clomid needs to be discontinued after a while as it has been shown to desensitize GnRH, this due, IMO, to it's selective nature to the suprapituitary. In the longer forms of PCT, the clomid will be phased out, leaving Nolva and L-dex

Arimidex (or L-dex)
Estrogen is the main inhibitence of restoring HPTA, and AI administration has been shown to increase gonadotrophin concentrations and serum Testosterone by up to 50%. In addition, by adding L-dex, the inhibitence of excess estrogen allows Tamox to work greater at LH stimulation in the begining stages of PCT, since the need to prevent binding in the mammery is lessened by the reduction in estrogen biosynthesis
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[largerthannormal]

great post kale!!

[Panzerfaust80]

KAle that ur girlfriend in ur avy? sorry dont mean to hijack thread.

mr syringe lol funny name.. I can see a new childrens character along side Barney, AND HERES MR SYRINGE KIDS!!

[Kale]

KAle that ur girlfriend in ur avy? sorry dont mean to hijack thread.

mr syringe lol funny name.. I can see a new childrens character along side Barney, AND HERES MR SYRINGE KIDS!!

Yes....

[admirals56]

ima******ger- why would he have to run the sus 2 wks longer then deca when deca and sus have the same half life for its long ester? sorry about the jack but the question isnt for me trying to clear this up

[taiboxa]

ima******ger- why would he have to run the sus 2 wks longer then deca when deca and sus have the same half life for its long ester? sorry about the jack but the question isnt for me trying to clear this up

because deca is such a suppressive compound and these effects seem to linger even after the supposed active life duration has past.

[admirals56]

alright just trying to clear things up please no need for others to chime in and flame i no what i need to no now so please no more comments on this and help this guy out with his question not myn cuz it was answerd