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02-27-2008, 02:52 PM #1Member
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Oral only for more keepable gains ?
I've been thinking about ultra short cycles of orals only, 4 weeks on 4 weeks of at a very low dose, like 10-20mg ED. and nolva+HCG in between.
I assume that doing dbol or winny only will keep my natural test levels probably only half supressed, or even less so i wont crash completely in the 4 weeks off like you would on test. not to mention i am going to include aggressive PCT of HCG+NOLVA.
we are talking about 10-20mg dbol ED, or 10mg dbol+10mg winny.
4 on, 4 off, year round. liver functions+count done every month.
Do you think its a good idea ?
Before you all bodybuilders are going to say 10mg is not going to do anything, then i agree that ill be lucky to gain 10lbs, but the recovery, explosive power and strength gains will be enough.
I have no problem using susp for 6 week cycles, but then i'll crash for another 4 weeks till my natural levels restore. even with PCT.
all you scientists out there let me know what you think.
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02-27-2008, 02:55 PM #2
IMO a waste of time...
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02-27-2008, 03:00 PM #3Member
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common bigmax ur a pro bodybuilder you guys always laugh at our doses hehe
what do u suggest then ?Last edited by JasonR; 02-27-2008 at 03:02 PM.
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02-27-2008, 03:04 PM #4
I hate it, supression happens quickly, atrophy happens more slowly, so you will be avoiding glandular atrophy to a degree. The hcg is a bad idea, you are going to kill your pituitary being forever on hcg/and or on cycle. I don't believe nolva to counteract LH inhibition because the rise in test alone from hcg is enough to elinimate endogenous LH.
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02-27-2008, 03:10 PM #5
If he wants to stick to just orals, could he not do a 6 weeker of TBOL? I realize its not DBOL , but he wouldn't have to do a crazy pct like he is asking about. I do agree that the short cycle system is not the way to go.
Also, I love when Kratos brings out the Taber's!!!!
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02-27-2008, 03:45 PM #6
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02-27-2008, 05:18 PM #7New Member
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02-27-2008, 06:29 PM #8Junior Member
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After about three weeks on tbol, your dick wont stay completely hard. Why would you want to risk getting a bad rep with a group of girls just so you can only use an oral?
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02-27-2008, 07:18 PM #9
I personally think your theories are correct but your timing and running it everyother month seems much along with your doses being too low.... and NO HCG if I was going to do an oral only cycle for 4 weeks it would be something like this
50mg Dbol ED weeks 1-4
aromasin ED 10mg weeks 1-4 20mg weeks 5-6
Nolvadex ED 10mg weeks 1-4 20mg weeks 5-7 10mg week 8
But I still think you would be wasting your time.... just my 2 cents
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02-27-2008, 09:57 PM #10
Waste of time IMO.
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02-27-2008, 10:26 PM #11Associate Member
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3 weeks on tbol and yer dick will be happier than ever, whoever said it wont, doesnt speak from personal expirience..
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02-27-2008, 10:29 PM #12Associate Member
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4 weeks on and 4 off with 20mg d-bol is actually a damn effective idea and everyone here should back off of Jason. My only alteration would be to take a few weeks after the nolva to clean out my liver since yer coming off d-bol and still on orals the whole time with nolva cuz it's toxic too.
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02-28-2008, 02:30 AM #13
IMO its not,1 i think u need more time off, 2 the doses he was sayn are to low to seee anything from, 3 If ur on for more then 2weeks (IMO) u must have a PCT, time on+t=PCT=time off needed. But there is no 1 set way to use aas. to each their own...
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02-28-2008, 03:43 AM #14Junior Member
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I'm just done with pct after an experimental 4 weeks and a half oral only cycle. Check my thread in cycle results. I took high doses d-bol + winny though. Next time around I'm doing drol only for 5 weeks. But I'm happy with the strength gains, and didn't feel like I "crashed" too bad like you would with test, as you mentioned. Give it a try and let us know how it works for you.
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02-28-2008, 04:42 PM #15Associate Member
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I've made great gains from 20mg per day d-bol. People try taking 40+ mg per day and then complain about bloat but at 20mg per day its very nice hard solid gains and no sides, plus natural test levels will only be down about 1/3 at that dose so 4 weeks off you should revover very well.
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02-28-2008, 04:51 PM #16
A few things:
I dont think there is such a thing as half suppressed. Your either producing test or your not.
Also IMO I believe injectables are far better for keepable gains.
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03-03-2008, 01:36 PM #17Associate Member
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Well wiseguy i hate to have to argue but there is deffinitely such thing as half suppression or 20% or 80% or whatever. Many studies show that the body still produces some test while on AAS depending on which AAS and how high the dosages are.
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03-03-2008, 03:12 PM #18
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03-03-2008, 04:00 PM #19
Dunno what you were taking but it was not t-bol (or something is wrong with you)
I agree but would swap the dbol for tbol. I have had a good experience with that exact cycle.
Whys the sky blue? There is a long complicated answer (which I will dig up if you want but dont have time right now). But just know that it does.
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03-03-2008, 04:41 PM #20Banned
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I think orals suck for sustained gains
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