Is 200- 250mg enough test for me?

[bobbyeggertonson]

Ok, so this is going to be my first cycle. Here are some stats:

21
5'4
135
9 %
5 years training

I'm going to be doing a 10 week cycle of Test Enanthate and I'd like to know whether 200-250mgs/week will do the trick. I know that most people do a lot more for the first cycle, but keep in mind my size (5'4 135lbs). It makes sense to me to take this amount because it will be cost effective seeing as I will only have to buy 1 bottle of test. Also, I had a friend who is much bigger than I am take 250mgs for his first cycle and he said it was great. Let me know what you guys think.

[breakbones]

Most bros are going to inform you that at you're weight (135) and age, you should put together a good diet. All you will get on this board is to, eat, eat, eat.

Plus you're body has enough test right now, work out hard and eat, get you're weight up and than bros will give you all the feed back.

[bobbyeggertonson]

Trust me, the diet is rock solid. I know that 135 seems low, but you have to consider my height. Lee Priest is my height and absolutely massive at only 200 pounds. Weight is merely a number and if you saw my in person you wouldn't think I'm that little. I'm very educated and very experienced in bodybuilding and would like a few opinions. Just remember that it's my body and I'm willing to take the risk (which should be slim).

[breakbones]

If you are properly educated what is you're PCT

[bobbyeggertonson]

Anthony Roberts PCT along with a ZMA and probably vitamin B6 for good measure.

[lex57]

Trust me, the diet is rock solid. I know that 135 seems low, but you have to consider my height. Lee Priest is my height and absolutely massive at only 200 pounds. Weight is merely a number and if you saw my in person you wouldn't think I'm that little. I'm very educated and very experienced in bodybuilding and would like a few opinions. Just remember that it's my body and I'm willing to take the risk (which should be slim).

well i disagree that i would not think you are little at 5'4" 135 i was that size when i was in 7th grade. i am not flaming just stating a fact. i dont think your too small as much as i think you are too young. now having said what i think i will address what you want. yes i would say that 250 mg test e for 10 weeks would be fine. i dont think you should do it but u will anyways. the only other thing i suggest is get your pct down and post it. and i would do .5 ml twice per week for a steady blood level for less sides. peace.

[High-roller]

what is your diet like? I always like to hear and see other peoples diets, I though mine was fine till I came here, Now I am up to some high cal and good protein levels.

[bobbyeggertonson]

The diet is pretty simple. I try to go with a 2 to 1 ratio carbs to protein, tapering off toward bed time. I keep my fat very low unless it's almonds or natural peanut butter. I'm not going to get into exact meals because they're different every day, but I will give you the things that are always the same. Breakfast- whole wheat bagle w/ PB and J on it and one scoop ON whey.
Post workout- 2 scoops ON whey, two boxes of raisins (or two large pieces of fruit) and a handful of almonds or scoop of PB.
Bed time- 1.5 scoops ON casein and multivitamin.
I also have a home made weight gain shake I like to drink if I don't have a meal ready- 1 scoop ON whey, 1/2 scoop ON casein, 3/4 cup oatmeal, 1/2 a banana and a scoop of peanut butter.

I understand that most people probably were my size in the 7th grade and I'd like to thank you for making me feel shitty about the years of hard work I've put into my body. Unfortunately, 7th grade was the year that I stopped growing for what ever reason. Back then I weighed 103lbs. I know because I wrestled in the 105 weight class. Since then I've been trying my hardest to put in weight. I've made decent success, but now I am very serious about bodybuilding and I'm ready to take it to the next level.

[lex57]

Trust me, the diet is rock solid. I know that 135 seems low, but you have to consider my height. Lee Priest is my height and absolutely massive at only 200 pounds. Weight is merely a number and if you saw my in person you wouldn't think I'm that little. I'm very educated and very experienced in bodybuilding and would like a few opinions. Just remember that it's my body and I'm willing to take the risk (which should be slim).

i guess i should have clarified what i was referring to. you said,"Weight is merely a number and if you saw my in person you wouldn't think I'm that little. " and i was rebutting that statement. i would think you are small. thats all and i said i wasnt flaming or putting you down in anyway i just think that 5'4" 135 is little to me i am 6'0" 230. hey man i wish you good luck i hope you're like 160 after your cycle and if you are i wanna see pics!

[taiboxa]

your not ready for aas ''yet''.
read more, train more, diet harder then you will be ready in a year or so...
otherwise w/o proper foundation your wasting time, money and possibly health

[breakbones]

your not ready for aas ''yet''.
read more, train more, diet harder then you will be ready in a year or so...
otherwise w/o proper foundation your wasting time, money and possibly health

agreed

[bobbyeggertonson]

I see where you guys are coming from and I respect your opinions. I know that I am a small guy, I've accepted that, but what I'm trying to say is that I don't look like I'm 135. Let's say if you saw a picture of me and I said I was 5'10 or 6'0 you'd probably think I weighed 170- 185.I may be be small compared to you, but not compared to me- if that makes sense. Also, I'd like for everyone to take in my intelligence level. I've been on this forum for a while and I see all of the newbie jackasses that ask the worst questions ever. I'm a college student studying Kinesiology with a concentration on fitness and human performance. Not to mention, I'm a certified personal trainer as well. So basically, I'm not an idiot, so please don't assume so.

With that being said, let's assume that I wait a year or two and get up to let's say... 142. Will the dosages I mentioned still apply?

[Lfs2shrt2bsml]

any pics

[lex57]

I see where you guys are coming from and I respect your opinions. I know that I am a small guy, I've accepted that, but what I'm trying to say is that I don't look like I'm 135. Let's say if you saw a picture of me and I said I was 5'10 or 6'0 you'd probably think I weighed 170- 185.I may be be small compared to you, but not compared to me- if that makes sense. Also, I'd like for everyone to take in my intelligence level. I've been on this forum for a while and I see all of the newbie jackasses that ask the worst questions ever. I'm a college student studying Kinesiology with a concentration on fitness and human performance. Not to mention, I'm a certified personal trainer as well. So basically, I'm not an idiot, so please don't assume so.

With that being said, let's assume that I wait a year or two and get up to let's say... 142. Will the dosages I mentioned still apply?

i dont assume that at all. but as i said i think you're too young but you do what you want. also i think you focus too much on being smaller. who cares man use it to your advantage. when i was in school way back it always seemed like the smaller guys i hung with were stronger than most of the others. so i dont doubt anything you say.good luck

[The Deuce]

I see where you guys are coming from and I respect your opinions. I know that I am a small guy, I've accepted that, but what I'm trying to say is that I don't look like I'm 135. Let's say if you saw a picture of me and I said I was 5'10 or 6'0 you'd probably think I weighed 170- 185.I may be be small compared to you, but not compared to me- if that makes sense. Also, I'd like for everyone to take in my intelligence level. I've been on this forum for a while and I see all of the newbie jackasses that ask the worst questions ever. I'm a college student studying Kinesiology with a concentration on fitness and human performance. Not to mention, I'm a certified personal trainer as well. So basically, I'm not an idiot, so please don't assume so.

With that being said, let's assume that I wait a year or two and get up to let's say... 142. Will the dosages I mentioned still apply?

Ok I am a firm believer in doing what you want because it's your life and no one elses. If you know the risk and benefits then it is entirely up to you broski. Just know what you are getting into and have full knowledge of everything !! This is serious stuff and you could really mess yourself up. Educate before you Medicate !!

Now... your question about the dosages... yes ... that is perfectly fine. I ran 250 mgs EW for 10 weeks for my first cycle and I loved it. In fact I will probably run 250 mgs again for my next cycle. Just cause... As I am sure you already know.. have everything before you make that first stick because there is no turning back.

[ReggyD]

post pics.
And I don't see any problems with running 250mg a week for 10 weeks. I'd probably go for 12, but if you only have 10 weeks worth, go for that.

[bobbyeggertonson]

This is all I've got right now. If it's not convincing I'll try to post more.

[jbonez19]

This is all I've got right now. If it's not convincing I'll try to post more.

dude, from what i can see you are doing just fine. good size and muscularity for your age. i honestly don't know why you would wanna go screwin' wit your natural hormone levels at your age. you're still peakin' young brother, why **** with nature. i would suspect if you upped your protein intake/frequency and really started hitting the heavy weights you could squeeze even more strength and mass out of your natural self. i'm not talking adding 10 lbs. onto your bench, i'm talking true powerlifting, pituitary stimulating training. i thought i had maxed out once, and then i read an article by dorian yates. he talked about throwing in 1 & 2 rep gutbusting sets, doing a warm up set and going straight to a brain popping heavy as shit max set. i know you might say but he was on the juice, it doesn't matter, i adopted some of what he was talking about and boom my muscles sprang back into life. i would have put another 25 pounds on my frame in the next eight months. the point i'm making is that there's no way that you've reached your natural maximum size yet. you may think you've stopped growing in height nbut i tell you, you will continue to thicken and mature at least until you're 25. i'm not saying wait 'till then, i'm saying your test level is already peaking you don't need to augment it. be patient give it some time. check out the powerlifting forum. good luck young bro

[bobbyeggertonson]

I'm going to get blood work done to see what my test levels are like and then I will decide whether or not I should do a cycle in a few months or not.

[jbonez19]

I'm going to get blood work done to see what my test levels are like and then I will decide whether or not I should do a cycle in a few months or not.

i would bet good money that they are at the top end of the scale. what would you do if it was?

[jeffefrijoles]

Lookin good Bobby. I would listen to these guys though... I'm 35 and have been researching AAS for over 5 years - still am wainting until the time is right! After reading these boards for the last year or so, I have completely revamped my diet and training and have put on over 10 lbs of lean weight... without AAS! I'm not ready... and I know where you are comin from, but you really should heed this advice. Increase the protein (I weigh 205 at 5' tall and take in at least 300 g/day of protein) and keep the carbs high. m I'd hold off on the AAS for at least a couple years while your natty test levels are still in high gear. Go get Arnold Pumpin Iron and watch Franco train.... now, after all this, my last adviced..... CUT THAT HAIR!!

[jeffefrijoles]

Oops... I mean 205 lbs at 6' tall! Midgets are funny, good eatin... like veal, only less guilt, cause they're adults...

[madmax1974]

just let the man be, so what if hes short or not

[Discipline_1]

Lookin good Bobby. I would listen to these guys though... I'm 35 and have been researching AAS for over 5 years - still am wainting until the time is right! After reading these boards for the last year or so, I have completely revamped my diet and training and have put on over 10 lbs of lean weight... without AAS! I'm not ready... and I know where you are comin from, but you really should heed this advice. Increase the protein (I weigh 205 at 5' tall and take in at least 300 g/day of protein) and keep the carbs high. m I'd hold off on the AAS for at least a couple years while your natty test levels are still in high gear. Go get Arnold Pumpin Iron and watch Franco train.... now, after all this, my last adviced..... CUT THAT HAIR!!

its good to hear things like this, this just shows how good this board is, nice work

The diet is pretty simple. I try to go with a 2 to 1 ratio carbs to protein, tapering off toward bed time. I keep my fat very low unless it's almonds or natural peanut butter. I'm not going to get into exact meals because they're different every day, but I will give you the things that are always the same. Breakfast- whole wheat bagle w/ PB and J on it and one scoop ON whey.
Post workout- 2 scoops ON whey, two boxes of raisins (or two large pieces of fruit) and a handful of almonds or scoop of PB.
Bed time- 1.5 scoops ON casein and multivitamin.
I also have a home made weight gain shake I like to drink if I don't have a meal ready- 1 scoop ON whey, 1/2 scoop ON casein, 3/4 cup oatmeal, 1/2 a banana and a scoop of peanut butter.

you seem pretty well educated so far, make sure you are getting a good 6-7meals in per day though, and by the way... looking good bobby

[bobbyeggertonson]

If my testosterone is satisfactory then I'll let it be for awhile. I'll just have to do a few more bulking stages and see where I stand.


As for my hair, hell no I'm not cutting it. I'm surprised you could tell I even had long hair considering it's in a pony tail in my picture. If it's too long then you're too old!

[jbonez19]

[QUOTE=bobbyeggertonson;3864421]If my testosterone is satisfactory then I'll let it be for awhile. I'll just have to do a few more bulking stages and see where I stand.
that's good to hear bro, would bet my nuts it's right up there. check out bone crushers pics in the members pictures section to see what you can achieve naturally with dedication and guts. you seem like you've got a good head on your shoulders, good luck no matter what you choose to do.

[taiboxa]

if your dead set on using aas, then go see an endocrinologist.. and see what THEY have to say.. maybe they can shine a lil light on the situation as to how dire the possible effects can be at your age.

[Prada]

Tia his problem is very evidently his diet. I don't see anyone really pointing that out. I dont believe that there is a single meat in the diet. With that diet man even taking 1g of tren wont add you any weight. Your diet has to be primorial and in check and then you can talk about using AAS. Having said that you can add easily 10-20 lbs naturally just by correcting your diet

[BuckwildBaby]

some one please take at look at my thread and tell me my stuff is legit, its important
Hows My Gear?

[bfsparty]

check with your physician first. At your age I was a D1 athlete and got myself into trouble, was not prepared for the downside. Your system is cranking test/gh naturally, at a level many of us would pay large sums of money to have naturally I might add. Eat minimum 150-200gm protein, power down oats. bulk up that breakfast with more carb. Go see your doc, that was good advice another member gave you. Take it. And look inside to see why it is you really want to do this, put it up to some rational scrutiny. Be patient and work hard.

[meathead320]

How is your facial hair growing in on its own? Full? Patchy? Peach fuzz at best?

Do you wake up with a erection every morning? Once in a while? All the time? Never?


No-homo, just wondering, as these can be indications if you have naturally low test.


200mg - 250mg EW, is the top end of HRT doses of test.

However, some guys who have had low test for years get good results off of it, simply because they are now at the top end of natural test, as before they were at the low end.

[bobbyeggertonson]

Prada, try to pay attention to what's going if you're going to contribute. The meals that I posted are only about 1/3 of my daily intake. They were merely examples of meals that don't change day to day.


As for facial hair and such. My facial hair is actually pretty scarce. I didn't start to grow until I was about 18 and I still cannot grow a full beard or goatee. Just some side burns at best. In the mornings I usually do have an erection, but it's usually because I wake up having to piss everyday. It just depends I guess.

[bobbyeggertonson]

Also, I've thought about seeing a doctor or an endo to see what they say, but I'm sure I'm just going to be getting a nice long lecture about how/why steroids are bad- something we all already know. Like I said, I'm going to get the blood work done and access my situation from there.

[jbonez19]

facial hair is genetic in the broad sense of the word. it's controlled by alot more than just your test level. mate, lookin at u pic (while u r not huge) its obvious you don't have low test. if your tests come back that u are low, i'll shout u ur first cycle....................kidding!

[jeffefrijoles]

From the look of your photo, I'd say your test levels are just fine, if not at the high end. Heck, again, I'm 35 and still can't grow much more than a partial goatee... looks more like dirt on my face! And like I said in my earlier post, I'm holding off after at least 5 years of reseraching AAS trying to see just how far I can get natty. Bump your protein up to 200-250g protein - I know it sounds like a shit load, but thats what I'm doing (about 350g for me). Lean red meats, lots of chicken, eggs.... good stuff. Oats, brown rice, whole wheat pastas.... I'm eating as though and training as though I'm on a cycle of AAS, and you know what, its working! Throw in some creatine, something like NO Explode.... And you know, after doing that for a while and doing more research on AAS, if you choose to go to the dark side in the future then go for it... just do it for th right reasons and after doing your homework!

[jeffefrijoles]

Oh ya... and I always say, the fastest way to add on 10 lean lbs is a good tan and a hair cut!

[bobbyeggertonson]

Yeah, I'm actually doing that right now. I thought to myself, if I were on cycle I'd be eating out the ass and hitting the gym hardcore! Then I thought, well, why the hell am I not doing that now? So I got into that mind set and it has helped a lot.


BTW a tan? A hair cut? This is bodybuilding, not a pretty boy contest! If it was I'd be doing nothing but bench, curls and abs like all the other fruit cakes at the gym. What's next? You gunna tell me how to trim my pubes so the girls will like it? JK

[Drummerboy]

id say hold off for a year or 2 more. 250mg/week is where i started, it worked great.

[Prop Shoulder]

yep 250 is where i started and i threw on 22 and kept 18.

[jeffefrijoles]

Yeah, I'm actually doing that right now. I thought to myself, if I were on cycle I'd be eating out the ass and hitting the gym hardcore! Then I thought, well, why the hell am I not doing that now? So I got into that mind set and it has helped a lot.


BTW a tan? A hair cut? This is bodybuilding, not a pretty boy contest! If it was I'd be doing nothing but bench, curls and abs like all the other fruit cakes at the gym. What's next? You gunna tell me how to trim my pubes so the girls will like it? JK

HAHAHA... actually, they do like em trimmed!! I'm glad to hear you agree with this thinkin (the diet/training part). Give it a try and I'd bet a years worth of Eggs you put on a solid ten lbs over the next few months. Just keep it clean. You got a good base already. Keep us posted on your progress! OK... I'll leave you alone on the hair - heck, when I was your age, we thought mullets were cool! After a year or two, re-visit whether you want to juice. When I do this and bulk naturaly, I actually get a lot of friends asking me if I'm on roids - and I just take it as a compliment. I just know that once you start, there's no goin back....