Critque my next 3 cycles

[Nstart]

Due to the recommendation of some people on this forum, I am buying my next 3 cycles worth or gear all at once. This way if my source disappears, I still have the gear.

Stats:
I used to weigh over 400lbs before I lost around 180lbs without the use of any drugs. So I know how to eat right for both weightloss and weight gain.

Before my first cycle:
6'0
227lbs
24 years old
4.4% body fat

After my first cycle
6'0
270lbs
25 years old
Not sure of body fat. I'd venture to guess around 10% I have a DEXA scan scheduled in a couple of weeks so this will give me an accurate reading of my body fat.
I've kept nearly all my strength and gains from this cycle and I finished my PCT almost 6 weeks ago.

Cycle History:
750mg of Sustanon 250 taken for 12 weeks
PCT consisted of liquidex, nolva, and clomid

Future planned cycles:
Cutting Cycle - June 2008
Weeks 1-8: 75mg of prop injected every day
Weeks 4-8: 50mg of winstrol injected every day
I will use Nizoral 2% shampoo everyday since I am very prone to losing my hair. I have taken and will continue to take 1.25 mg of proscar a day.
PCT 1 day after last injection. I plan to use liquidex, nolva, and clomid

Bulking Cycle - December 2008
Weeks 1-12: 500mg of sustanon 250 a week injected every other day
Weeks 1-12: 400mg of Deca a week injected twice a week
Weeks 1-12: 25mcgs of T3 taken every day
Weeks 1-12: .25mgs of Liquidex taken every day
Weeks 1-8: 75mg of Tren A injected every day
Weeks 1-16: 1/2mg of caber taken twice a week? Some sites say to take 1mg a day, so I am not really sure about which is correct.
I do not have access to any HCG so I won't be taking that
PCT, 21 days after last injection. Will use clomid, nolva, and liquidex.

Cutting Cycle - July 2009
Weeks 1-8 75mg of prop injected everyday
Weeks 1-6: 75mg of Tren A injected every day
Weeks 1-12: 1/2mg of caber taken twice a week? Some sites say to take 1mg a day, so I am not really sure about which is correct.
PCT: liquidex, nolva, and clomid one day after last injection

October 2009:
Officially Retire from taking any gear for the foreseeable future.


Opinions?

[PT]

your 2nd cutting cycle is horrible. prop by itself isnt the best thing in the world especially after that large bulker. i would throw in some tren , winny or masteron

[Nstart]

Alright, thanks for the input. I added tren to my last cutting cycle.

Any more opinions?

[samcam]

For myself it is impossible for me to plan that far ahead. I always buy enough gear for a couple future cycles but am constantly changing them. Hell, I am starting a cylce on Tues., after 7 months off and just modified it, again, yesterday.

[lex57]

is that a type o or are you really saying that you were 4.4% body fat at 227 and 6'0"????????????

[Njord]

Why the T3 during your bulker.
Why all the caber.

[soulstealer]

Why the T3 during your bulker.
Why all the caber.

T3 makes sense during the bulker..... as 19nore tend to suppress thyroid and cause progesterone/prolactin problems.... the caber is probably cause he's trying to run deca and tren in the same cycle and doesnt want to go MOOO!!

[PT]

i didnt even notice that he had deca and tren together. i run the 2 with great results when bulking but you better be careful

[legobricks]

is that a type o or are you really saying that you were 4.4% body fat at 227 and 6'0"????????????

I was wondering the same thing........

[naturalsux]

is that a type o or are you really saying that you were 4.4% body fat at 227 and 6'0"????????????

i was wondering the same thing

[dupa95]

Cough Cough (bullshit) At 4% your organs are at risk.

[dupa95]

[200byjune]

dupa please stop your ignorance obviously it must of been a type o so please wait till he can explain before you call him out like that very inmature. i see it happening alot from u why do people have to try to look tuff and cool online i mean i dont even do that in person because its not worth it id rather go to a party andhave 1 or 2 beers and watch how much of a jackass people make themselves look.

[200byjune]

i no i no wat a first post ive been at looking at this forum for 2 years now

[dupa95]

[Nstart]

is that a type o or are you really saying that you were 4.4% body fat at 227 and 6'0"????????????

No you read that correctly. While my upper body is large, my lower body is so ridiculously overdeveloped from being overweight most of my life. Also, I began running when I was still over 300lbs and I was weight lifting during this time too.

I can email you a scan of my DAX/DEXA test if you don't believe me. I got down to 4.4% went to the doctor because I felt really weak, and the results came back and he told me my body was basically in starvation mode and I need to gain some fat or else I will get very sick. Keep in mind I was sitting at below 5% for several months before going to the doctor.

edit: the reason I kept going was because 180lbs was the "ideal" weight for me and since I was so overweight my whole life I just wanted to be normal. I began to really slow down my weightloss at around 250lbs even though my cardio, weight lifting, and diet were as close to perfect as I could make them. Then in around the start of september I started feeling so weak and sick. I thought I was just sick with something and held out for 2 weeks. After no change I made an appointment to see the doctor and he ran me through a battery of tests.

[Nstart]

Why the T3 during your bulker.
Why all the caber.

From all my reading, they always say to run a replacement therapy dosage of T3 whenever running any Tren . Same thing for the caber, but I am unsure of the dosage to run it at.

[Nstart]

I can't post pictures of myself because the scars on my body would give away my identity to anyone that knows me.

[Nstart]

Here, I scanned and uploaded a picture of my body fat analysis. The doctor basically printed this out, and told me to go to the hospital.

http://x026.uploaderx.net/x/bodyfatwhensick.jpg

edit:
I have a bunch of these from when I was over 400lbs down to my lowest state.

Please don't turn this into an argument over my body fat. If you want to, just PM me. I really would like my cycles critiqued.

[lex57]

ok you really need to be a fast talker here bro. i am calling you out so big here its not even funny.......you have to be careful with the internet cuz things can bite you in the ass such as this. why do you waste our time? you are a little tool. you say your last cycle," 750mg of Sustanon 250 taken for 12 weeks", "I've kept nearly all my strength and gains from this cycle and I finished my PCT almost 6 weeks ago." ok and pct at the very least is 2 weeks right? so that is 20 weeks right? which would be 5 months ago? right? so roughly mid october you would have had to start your cycle. well how come on another board dated 12-01-07 you had not even started your first cycle and were getting people to critique it and get advice? just in case nobody believes me here is a copy......................and a link.http://www.*************/tmagnum/rea....do?id=1829811
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Hello,

I'll cut right to the chase. I've read a whole ton on this topic, I have been lifting for nearly 5.5 years now and I have created myself a 5,000 calorie diet split over 6 meals.

6'0
225lbs
sub 6% body fat measured via DAX/DEXA scan

I recently lost a lot of weight (in the range of 200lbs, done naturally) and I would like to correct some of the extra skin I have that surgery could not correct to my satisfaction.

Sustaject 250:

Week 01: 600mg split over 3 injections of 200mg each
Week 02: 600mg split over 3 injections of 200mg each
Week 03: 750mg split over 3 injections of 250mg each
Week4-9: 1000mg split over 2 injections of 500mg each
Week 10: 800mg split over 2 injections of 400mg each
Week 11: 600mg split over 2 injections of 300mg each
Week 12: 400mg split over 2 injections of 200mg each

The reason I am starting off so low is because I don't know how I feel on the stuff, so I would like to start off on the slow slide just to be sure I can handle it. I know a lot of people say you should load on the first day, but I'll sacrifice some potential gain just to be on the safe side.

Winstrol

Week 10-12: 200mg split over 4 injections of 50mg each every other day
Week 13: 150mg split over 3 injections every other day

I know you aren't supposed to bulk then cut (from what I have read), but some people have told me, they have done this in the past with great results. Opinions on this please?

3 Weeks after the last injection I will begin using Clomid. The problem is I'm not really sure for how long I should run this. Nothing I read actually told me the duration. My best guess would be to run it for 4 weeks taking a 50mg tablet each day. I don't know if I am running this for too long or too short.

I will also have Femera (letrozole ) in case I begin to see the early signs of gynecomastia .

Day 1: .50mg Letrozole
Day 2: 1.0mg Letrozole
Day 3: 1.5mg Letrozole
Day 4: 2.0mg Letrozole
Day 5: 2.5mg Letrozole

Repeat day 5 dosage until the gynecomastia subsides.



Does this look ok? If not, what should I change or add on. The reason I don't want to stack is that this is my first cycle and I do not want to get very large, this I am not stacking with Deca . Another reason is that Deca is detectable in the system for 18 months or more. I just don't feel comfortable with this.

Thanks in advance


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12-02-2007, 05:37 AM
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You better watch you... stack anything together and you may win the Olymipa next year.

How are you bulking and then cutting? Just because you plan to waste some winstrol at the end of your cycle? If your attempt is to drasticaly reduce your calories in an attempt to reduce bodyfat as well, then say bye bye to all the new muscle you may have earned. Wait 3-4 months after this cycle and then try to cut anymore unwanted bf.

Dont change your test dosage all over the place like that or the frequency of injections. If you plan on using a sus like blend then inject it EOD and stick to the same dosage throughout the cycle. 600mg a week will be lots for your first cycle. Works out to just under .7 CC EOD if your product is 250mg/ml.

Letro is a very strong product sometimes causing a persons body to have too little estrogen. Likely something that wont even be necessary at 600mg/wk.

Different people are running their clomid differnt ways. Superdosing for the first couple days and then down to 50 mg/day for the remainder. Or 100 mg/day for the first week and then down to 50mg/day. 3 weeks should work out fine.


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12-02-2007, 06:11 AM
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You currently weigh 225 lbs and have recently lost 200lbs, so you was over 400lbs recently?

You would be better off just injecting EOD, also each injection will be 250mg not 200ml, inless you wish to measure out 4/5 of a ml each shot


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LillGuy001 wrote:
You better watch you... stack anything together and you may win the Olymipa next year.

How are you bulking and then cutting? Just because you plan to waste some winstrol at the end of your cycle? If your attempt is to drasticaly reduce your calories in an attempt to reduce bodyfat as well, then say bye bye to all the new muscle you may have earned. Wait 3-4 months after this cycle and then try to cut anymore unwanted bf.

Dont change your test dosage all over the place like that or the frequency of injections. If you plan on using a sus like blend then inject it EOD and stick to the same dosage throughout the cycle. 600mg a week will be lots for your first cycle. Works out to just under .7 CC EOD if your product is 250mg/ml.

Letro is a very strong product sometimes causing a persons body to have too little estrogen. Likely something that wont even be necessary at 600mg/wk.

Different people are running their clomid differnt ways. Superdosing for the first couple days and then down to 50 mg/day for the remainder. Or 100 mg/day for the first week and then down to 50mg/day. 3 weeks should work out fine.


The idea was once I do the last injection, I maintain the current diet of 5000 calories for about a month. At that point I would gradually reduce my calories to 4500 and stay there for 3 weeks and then cut down to 4000 calories, stay here for 3 weeks and then finally cut down to 3500 calories and hope to drop 1-2lbs of mostly fat per week in order to be ready for this summer. It will be the first time I'd be taking my shirt off in public and not be ashamed of the way I look.

Could you please explain why I am wasting the Winstrol? If I understand the drug correctly, it is used to help define a person's body and remove much of the water retention a person may have gained during their bulking cycle. Everything I read said that it is used mostly by body builders right before competitions to give them that "hard" look.

I've talked to several people who have done this in the past and none of them said it was a bad idea. It's not the best idea since in theory you are supposed to do a bulk cycle and then a cutting cycle, but using Winstrol right after a bulking cycle has worked for them. I don't disagree with you, I just want to better understand the reasoning behind what you are saying.

From my understanding a person doing 400mg a week will in total put on about 20lbs of weight over a 12 weeks span. If you had to guess, how much total weight (that includes muscle, fat and water) would I gain if I were to do a 600mg or even an 800mg per week cycle? Any idea how much of that would be just muscle? I know it varies from person to person, but I'd love to know what a general figure might be.

I know Letro is a very strong drug but it appears to be the best one out there. I would love to avoid using it, but I honestly would like to have some on hand just in case I do develop gynecomastia with a 600mg or 800mg dosage a week.

Thanks for the advice on the Clomid. I'll do as you say!


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electric_eales wrote:
You currently weigh 225 lbs and have recently lost 200lbs, so you was over 400lbs recently?

You would be better off just injecting EOD, also each injection will be 250mg not 200ml, inless you wish to measure out 4/5 of a ml each shot

Correct, I was 412lbs at my highest weight. I could send you (via email?) pictures of me before and after if you'd like. I'm honestly afraid to post them online here since I'm terrified of someone I know discovering them. Sadly, a lot of people look up to me now because of how much weight I lost and how much muscle I gained naturally. I would really hate to see someone that admires me find this thread and be a let down.

If I were to take 250mg every other day, that would be around 1750mg per 2 weeks, which averages out to 875mg a week. Would I then REQUIRE to use Letro for the gynecomastia? From what I understand, as people approach the 1000mg mark, gynecomastia does become a problem then. I know everyone is different, though.


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Nstart wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
You currently weigh 225 lbs and have recently lost 200lbs, so you was over 400lbs recently?

You would be better off just injecting EOD, also each injection will be 250mg not 200ml, inless you wish to measure out 4/5 of a ml each shot

Correct, I was 412lbs at my highest weight. I could send you (via email?) pictures of me before and after if you'd like. I'm honestly afraid to post them online here since I'm terrified of someone I know discovering them. Sadly, a lot of people look up to me now because of how much weight I lost and how much muscle I gained naturally. I would really hate to see someone that admires me find this thread and be a let down.

If I were to take 250mg every other day, that would be around 1750mg per 2 weeks, which averages out to 875mg a week. Would I then REQUIRE to use Letro for the gynecomastia? From what I understand, as people approach the 1000mg mark, gynecomastia does become a problem then. I know everyone is different, though.

I am no expert, but I have ran 4 cycles using sustanon previously, I use arimidex during cycle at .25mg ED if using sus at 250mg EOD.

I have not had a problem with with this ratio, some people may reccomend .5 mg of Arimidex ED but I have also found comflicting evidence where it is reccomended to use .25 mg EOD instead of ED, the reasoning for this is that if you use too much anti E it can of course reduce your gains, personally I would rather have that problem than gyno.

I would love to see pictures of your reduction in size that is an amazing feat to have lost such weight, to be at 6% body fat now is tremendous, I would love to hear aboyt your training routines and diet ad supplements used, do you have a problem with excess skin right now?






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Thanks, I will look into running .25mg of Arimidex while on the cycle. From the quick research that I did on Arimidex, it appears that this drug not only reduces estrogen but it also increases testosterone levels .

I sent you an email with all my info and before and after pictures.

I forgot to include the routines, and the supplements I took. I'll email you again after I write it up.

I did have problems with extra skin and I did have to have plastic surgery to remove skin from multiple parts of my body. By far the two worst were the stomach and the legs.


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Nstart wrote:
Hello,

I'll cut right to the chase. I've read a whole ton on this topic, I have been lifting for nearly 5.5 years now and I have created myself a 5,000 calorie diet split over 6 meals.

6'0
225lbs
sub 6% body fat measured via DAX/DEXA scan

I recently lost a lot of weight (in the range of 200lbs, done naturally) and I would like to correct some of the extra skin I have that surgery could not correct to my satisfaction.

Sustaject 250:

Week 01: 600mg split over 3 injections of 200mg each
Week 02: 600mg split over 3 injections of 200mg each
Week 03: 750mg split over 3 injections of 250mg each
Week4-9: 1000mg split over 2 injections of 500mg each
Week 10: 800mg split over 2 injections of 400mg each
Week 11: 600mg split over 2 injections of 300mg each
Week 12: 400mg split over 2 injections of 200mg each

The reason I am starting off so low is because I don't know how I feel on the stuff, so I would like to start off on the slow slide just to be sure I can handle it. I know a lot of people say you should load on the first day, but I'll sacrifice some potential gain just to be on the safe side.

Winstrol

Week 10-12: 200mg split over 4 injections of 50mg each every other day
Week 13: 150mg split over 3 injections every other day

I know you aren't supposed to bulk then cut (from what I have read), but some people have told me, they have done this in the past with great results. Opinions on this please?

3 Weeks after the last injection I will begin using Clomid. The problem is I'm not really sure for how long I should run this. Nothing I read actually told me the duration. My best guess would be to run it for 4 weeks taking a 50mg tablet each day. I don't know if I am running this for too long or too short.

I will also have Femera (letrozole) in case I begin to see the early signs of gynecomastia.

Day 1: .50mg Letrozole
Day 2: 1.0mg Letrozole
Day 3: 1.5mg Letrozole
Day 4: 2.0mg Letrozole
Day 5: 2.5mg Letrozole

Repeat day 5 dosage until the gynecomastia subsides.



Does this look ok? If not, what should I change or add on. The reason I don't want to stack is that this is my first cycle and I do not want to get very large, this I am not stacking with Deca. Another reason is that Deca is detectable in the system for 18 months or more. I just don't feel comfortable with this.

Thanks in advance




I would honestly leave out the winstrol for another time, where you can focus the entire cycle on cutting. At least run it for six weeks at a dose of 60mg+ a day. No need to inject just drink it!

congrats on the weightloss


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12-02-2007, 12:34 PM

[lex57]

anyone who wants to read it i will pm you the link. i think its funny that somebody has to lie to us like this it is very childish. but i am sure some lame ass excuse is coming i just cant wait...................

[lex57]

dupa please stop your ignorance obviously it must of been a type o so please wait till he can explain before you call him out like that very inmature. i see it happening alot from u why do people have to try to look tuff and cool online i mean i dont even do that in person because its not worth it id rather go to a party andhave 1 or 2 beers and watch how much of a jackass people make themselves look.

i think you owe dupa an apology bro................

[Nstart]

anyone who wants to read it i will pm you the link. i think its funny that somebody has to lie to us like this it is very childish. but i am sure some lame ass excuse is coming i just cant wait...................

So what exactly are you trying to point out? I started on the tmag forums and someone from there PM'd me and told me I would be better off at this forum. So I came here. It's been a couple of months since I last posted there.

Where exactly did I lie? Please point it out to me because I don't see it.

[lex57]

ok follow along......on 12-01-07 you posted you were getting ready to satrt your cycle. ok so far? now you said you did a 12 week cycle (12 weeks ago from right now is dec.16) then you also say you finished your pct 6 weeks ago (6 weeks from dec 16 is about nov.1) then however long your pct lasted at least 2 weeks i hope right that would mean by what you say your cycle would have had to have started in mid october to run 12 week cycle pct and be finished for 6 weeks. do you understand now? face it bro and you know it you're lying just man up and admit it. if you dont understand it now i will try again.

[BIGDOGIRISH]

12-01-2007
Isnt that like 14 months ago????

[Nstart]

I started my cycle (incorrectly) before I made that first post. I looked at the forums for a couple of days before posting and anyone who said they just started a cycle, were told to stop the cycle. I didn't want to do this so I just lied about not starting the cycle (even though I did).

Wow, what a lie.

Then if you search my posts here you will see it differently. Specifically look at the date:

1-27-08
All the threads sticked in this forum contradict each other. Confused about my PCT.

1-29-08
How long after my last injection of sus does bloating stop/should I take winnie?

I ran clomid, nolva and liquidex as my PCT for a month. I finished my cycle at the start of January, waited 18 days before starting the PCT. I finished my PCT at the start of February and it's been around 6 weeks since I finished my PCT.

What else would you like for me to explain?


edit: I would like to make it very clear that I started my cycle (in a stupid fashion) before I knew what I was doing and before I asked anyone for advice on those forums or these. The only person I listened to was my supplier and that was a mistake. We all learn from our mistakes.

[Nstart]

12-01-2007
Isnt that like 14 months ago????

It was a couple of months ago (after thanksgiving).

[BIGDOGIRISH]

It was a couple of months ago (after thanksgiving).

I see. I put month and day the other way round. Was just wondering.

Dont bother arguing with Lex - he's a dlck who gets his kicks from belittling people. And Dupa I have yet to see contribute positively.

Ignore em. Others will help you

[lex57]

12-01-2007
Isnt that like 14 months ago????

dude you are so dumb...... i am pretty sure it is 2008 right now. so dec of 2007 was 4 months ago. please tell me how you come up with 14. i am interested. your contributions are great.

[lex57]

I started my cycle (incorrectly) before I made that first post. I looked at the forums for a couple of days before posting and anyone who said they just started a cycle, were told to stop the cycle. I didn't want to do this so I just lied about not starting the cycle (even though I did).

Wow, what a lie.

Then if you search my posts here you will see it differently. Specifically look at the date:

1-27-08
All the threads sticked in this forum contradict each other. Confused about my PCT.

1-29-08
How long after my last injection of sus does bloating stop/should I take winnie?

I ran clomid, nolva and liquidex as my PCT for a month. I finished my cycle at the start of January, waited 18 days before starting the PCT. I finished my PCT at the start of February and it's been around 6 weeks since I finished my PCT.

What else would you like for me to explain?


edit: I would like to make it very clear that I started my cycle (in a stupid fashion) before I knew what I was doing and before I asked anyone for advice on those forums or these. The only person I listened to was my supplier and that was a mistake. We all learn from our mistakes.

like i said here is your lame ass excuse.

[lex57]

12-01-2007
Isnt that like 14 months ago????

could be quote of the year right here......i dont have to belittle you iris. you got it all under control.......

[dupa95]

i think you owe dupa an apology bro................

If it smells like poop it's

[BIGDOGIRISH]

dude you are so dumb...... i am pretty sure it is 2008 right now. so dec of 2007 was 4 months ago. please tell me how you come up with 14. i am interested. your contributions are great.

Cant believe I have to explain that to you but judging by how immature you behave I guess its possible theres a mental problem.

I was looking at it as the 12th day of January in 2007. Would make it around 14 months.

Now please grow up!

[dupa95]

We are NOT coming down on you but PLEASE be honest, you have people that have been in the steroid game and bodybuilding game for 15 to 20 years here. I never bs cause any of you guys cuold show up at my gym and say "prove it!" So just be honest. When you lie to these guys you are insulting them. (spelling?)

[Nstart]

I see. I put month and day the other way round. Was just wondering.

Dont bother arguing with Lex - he's a dlck who gets his kicks from belittling people. And Dupa I have yet to see contribute positively.

Ignore em. Others will help you

Yeah I am starting to see that now. He jumps on anyone for the smallest of things.

[lex57]

Cant believe I have to explain that to you but judging by how immature you behave I guess its possible theres a mental problem.

I was looking at it as the 12th day of January in 2007. Would make it around 14 months.

Now please grow up!

hey iris i didnt post anything about you and you post this?Dont bother arguing with Lex - he's a dlck who gets his kicks from belittling people. And Dupa I have yet to see contribute positively. and i am immature with a mental problem....

[Nstart]

We are NOT coming down on you but PLEASE be honest, you have people that have been in the steroid game and bodybuilding game for 15 to 20 years here. I never bs cause any of you guys cuold show up at my gym and say "prove it!" So just be honest. When you lie to these guys you are insulting them. (spelling?)

Everything I posted in this forum and in this thread is the truth. Lex went to a forum I initially joined (and haven't really been to since then) and posted what I wrote there.

I explained what actually happened and I have no problems admitting I was wrong or not fully understanding something. I did the first half of my first cycle incorrectly and it was foolish on my behalf. I've learned a lot since then and I am now asking for help before I do any future cycle.

I posted the body fat scan as evidence and the only thing I removed was my name, and date of birth.

[dupa95]

No I am just following what the vets and the old times showed me when I got here. If booze shows up he will be all over this. So Be honest.

[Njord]

T3 makes sense during the bulker..... as 19nore tend to suppress thyroid and cause progesterone/prolactin problems.... the caber is probably cause he's trying to run deca and tren in the same cycle and doesnt want to go MOOO!!

Good deal. makes sense.

[dupa95]

(Dont bother arguing with Lex - he's a dlck who gets his kicks from belittling people) this is a flame one more I will have you booted.