***Critique this CUT cycle***

**Clayguy** · 03-13-2008, 12:48 PM

What do you guys think about this cutter ?

6 Weeks:
Test Prop 250mg/wk
Tren Ace 300mg/wk
Winstrol 350mg/wk
DBol 25mg ED week 1-4
Clen + Thyroid + Benadryl straight through

**Njord** · 03-13-2008, 12:50 PM

Why the dbol ?

**Clayguy** · 03-13-2008, 12:53 PM

Well a friend suggested it and I was wondering about the DBOL as well but I don't know how I will react to DBOL as far as water is concerned.

This is why I posted it here.

**Njord** · 03-13-2008, 01:14 PM

What are your stats and cycle experience?

PT · 03-13-2008, 01:34 PM

i need you cycle experiance first but i can definatly tell you to drop the d-bol and replace it with var or halo if you really want an . also how do you plan on shooting the tren and winny? ed or eod?

**VTliftVT** · 03-13-2008, 01:46 PM

Not a pro on the whole clen and T3 jazz, but do you suppose to run it together for that long of a period of time? I know many do, but I have always heard two weeks on two off OR one on and one off. Just thought I would get some attention drawn to that for those more experienced.

PT · 03-13-2008, 01:48 PM

i didnt even pay attention to that. how are you running that? 2 weeks on/2 off?

**flabbywussy** · 03-13-2008, 02:09 PM

4 weeks ain't sh*t IMO cause it'll take about 1 and a half to 2 to start to feel anything

**VTliftVT** · 03-13-2008, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by flabbywussy

4 weeks ain't sh*t IMO cause it'll take about 1 and a half to 2 to start to feel anything

four weeks may not be but 6 straight of both?

**flabbywussy** · 03-13-2008, 02:23 PM

what i'm saying is six weeks of short ester compounds take a week and half to start working, so a six week cycle is really a 4 week cycle which is not long enough imo 8 weeks min. for these compounds, but thats jmo

**VTliftVT** · 03-13-2008, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by flabbywussy

what i'm saying is six weeks of short ester compounds take a week and half to start working, so a six week cycle is really a 4 week cycle which is not long enough imo 8 weeks min. for these compounds, but thats jmo

Oh i completely agree with you there...we were referencing the use of T3 and clen . My bad.

**Njord** · 03-13-2008, 02:29 PM

I have never run a 6 weeks cycle, but I have seen plenty of threads with people that do and are happy with it.
Running clen for 6 weeks with benadryl will be fine. I have only ran t3 for 4 weeks, but I think 6 weeks would be fine as well.
Still waiting for stats from clayguy, I see you're on here.

**Clayguy** · 03-13-2008, 02:57 PM

My stats are 6'3, 242lbs, at rougly 16%BF. Have done one cycle which was 500mg TEST E & 400MG EQ for 11 weeks.

Been training seriously for the last 3 years.

I am in a rough position as far as food goes being here in Iraq.

Cardio is two times every day, AM on an empty stomach and later that night. 45min of low intensity(132bpm) on a treadmill

Here is my diet:
Macros are: Pro=361, Carbs=220, and Fats=30 which equal roughly 2590 cals. Am Carb sensitive which is why I kept the carbs low to see how this goes.

Although I might drop the carbs to 100g a day to see how that goes.

7:00- 40g of plain oatmeal, 2 chicken breast,<-------carbs 40, pro 54, fat 0

9:00—44g of whey with 15g of fat from flax oil<-------carbs 0, Pro 44, Fat 15

12:00—2 chicken breast, 1 cup of white rice, half cup of broccoli<--------carbs 60, Pro 54, Fat 0

3:00—3 chicken breast, 15g fat from flax oil<---------Carbs 0, Pro 81, Fat 15

6:00—22g of whey mixed with 19g of carbs from plain oatmeal (pre workout shake)<------Carbs 20, Pro 22, Fat 0

7:00—Train

9:00-- PWO shake is 66g of whey with 50g of malto and 50g of dextrose<-------Carbs 100, Pro 66, Fat 0

10:00—40g casein protein or from solid food depending on availability.<--------Carbs 0, Pro 40, Fat 0

PT · 03-13-2008, 03:19 PM

wow finally someone else that drinks 3 or 4 shakes a day like me. i thought i was the last one. i drink 2 scitfit drinks that are 50grams of pure whey protein and 2 scifit extreme mass drinks that have 900 calories each, 50g protein and a low fat and sugar content. i could never put down 5 chicken breasts per day though

**Njord** · 03-13-2008, 03:49 PM

I'd say run the cycle as proposed but drop the dbol ( and maybe up the tren a little).
Make sure you have a good pct planned and ready

**Clayguy** · 03-13-2008, 04:46 PM

Yeah I think that's what I'm gonna go with.

**Clayguy** · 03-18-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Njord

I'd say run the cycle as proposed but drop the dbol ( and maybe up the tren a little).
Make sure you have a good pct planned and ready

What about adding a little deca into the mix and take out the DBOL?

**soulstealer** · 03-18-2008, 05:49 PM

I these compounds are actually my favorites but the cycle is super short and the dosages are low.... you shouldnt do both(short and light).... it almost doesnt make any sense... Also running the dbol wont give you a boost at all just give your liver a harder hit since the wini injected or oral has the same structure... cause Hepatox... but I like the ratios... these are the changes I would make and am infact running myself right now

Originally Posted by Clayguy

What do you guys think about this cutter ?

Test Prop 250mg/wk Weeks 1-10
Tren Ace 300mg/wk Bump it to 350mg EW and run it week 2-9
Winstrol 350mg/wk Weeks 5-10
DBol 25mg ED week 1-4 (drop the dbol)
Clen + Thyroid + Benadryl straight through