first cutting cycle advice

[DatGuy]

Ok, my friend wants to do a cutting cycle, hes been lifting for about 4 years, 5'8" about 190 lbs, something like 11% body fat, 23 years old. never used gear. Has no desire to get any bigger, he just wants to get shredded/harder. Hes kinda in that "I'm afraid of needles" stage, but is open to it. What is a good oral only cycle for his goals, and a good injectable cycle.

[soccer#3]

winny or var

[DatGuy]

can you be more specific? Im not doing a cutting cycle, all ive researched is mass/strength. I know all sorts about gear like dbol and tren n stuff, dont knopw about winny or var

[dupa95]

5'8" about 190 lbs cardio and diet correctly

[nowdenlid]

i am doing sort of a cutting lean mass cycle at the moment ...

sustonon 250mgs every 3rd day for 12 weeks

winny inject 50 mgs ed weeks 9-14

[DatGuy]

sorry hes 5'9" 183lbs

[soccer#3]

when u say he doesnt wanna get any bigger it restricts his options down to very few compounds he can use. i would tell him to use winny for 4-6 weeks at 50mg ed

[DatGuy]

ok, he says he wants to shed 10 lbs fat, then gain 15 lbs muscle, putting him around 187. this is approximate of course. so what would be good for that?

[dupa95]

It is possible but you MUST be dedicated like theperfectbeast. Morning and night work outs. Measuring out your food with a scale, cardio right amount NO cheat meals NO parting, getting the right amount of sleep. I would say 90% percent of the people that come here just wana put on some size and feel better about them selfs. The other 10% have really what it takes to do both. So my answer is really a question are willing to REALLY sacafice your life for the perfect body?

[soccer#3]

ok, he says he wants to shed 10 lbs fat, then gain 15 lbs muscle, putting him around 187. this is approximate of course. so what would be good for that?

easier said than done

[DatGuy]

thanks