Cataboism Prevention (ref: Clen)

**New2Anabolic** · 03-31-2008, 05:44 AM

I just finished 12week Test E.
PCT right now, very sweet.

Anyways, I was wondering if I could hold onto this 15 pds of lean muscle that I've put on, while cycling clen & keto?
Tons of protein, and I would be "using it" not to "lose it" (continual training).

I just don't want to slim down that way, if clen & keto will erase results.
I don't care about losing a BIT... but I didn't run a long cycle, for nothing.

Keto is also mainly protein and fat, so I would be feeding my muscles plenty.
(Only carbs = greens, and Muscle Milk for postworkout!)

**ChuckLee** · 03-31-2008, 05:47 AM

A good PCT will do the trick, clen has not those anticatabolic properties they speak about...

CL

**New2Anabolic** · 03-31-2008, 06:14 AM

What trick?
I guess I must not have explained myself properly.

I want to burn fat, and I want to use Clen (while on a KETO diet).
I do not want to lose what I've recently acquired from my Test E cycle though.

Is this "do'able" ?

**ChuckLee** · 03-31-2008, 06:23 AM

Keto diet doesn't suit with bodybuilding, it's used from very fat people to cut down fat hardly and lose weight in minor time.
A Keto diet could be harmful for your weight maintaining on pct. Just switch on clen . That's it

CL

**New2Anabolic** · 03-31-2008, 06:39 AM

keto loses weight sooo fast though

**kick6** · 03-31-2008, 09:11 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a keto diet high fat, low carbs, low protein?

**iagainsti** · 03-31-2008, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by kick6

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a keto diet high fat, low carbs, low protein?

A Keto Diet is moderate healthy fats, very low carb (trace amounts) and very high protein.

**mick86** · 04-27-2008, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

A good PCT will do the trick, clen has not those anticatabolic properties they speak about...

CL

Sorry chuck I dont quite understand you here, are you saying that clen doesn't have anticatabolic properties or was that a typo and your saying that it does?

**Schmidty** · 04-27-2008, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by New2Anabolic

I just finished 12week Test E.
PCT right now, very sweet.

Anyways, I was wondering if I could hold onto this 15 pds of lean muscle that I've put on, while cycling clen & keto?
Tons of protein, and I would be "using it" not to "lose it" (continual training).

I just don't want to slim down that way, if clen & keto will erase results.
I don't care about losing a BIT... but I didn't run a long cycle, for nothing.

Keto is also mainly protein and fat, so I would be feeding my muscles plenty.
(Only carbs = greens, and Muscle Milk for postworkout!)

IMO stay away from the keto diet but if thats whats workn for u the cool do it, but thats not for me... I dont think clen and keto are going to make u lose results if u have a good PCT and are still gettting a sufficiant amount of cals and protien. And dont use Muscle milk PWO, its shitty quality stuff. Use a dextros or WMS with a isolate PWO. Muscle milk has so much fat it slows down the absorbtion of the protien, so u miss ur window of nutrition after a workout(very important)... If u use the dextros/isolate ur glycogen levels are filled and all the rest of the protien u consume is used to bulild and repair muscle.

**mx3** · 04-27-2008, 03:09 PM

along with pct diet will dictate your gains kept. If you were bulking then you need to keep your cals high. if you were cutting then then you need cals at maintenance levels. clen in pct is not a good idea imo.

**Phate** · 04-27-2008, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by mick86

Sorry chuck I dont quite understand you here, are you saying that clen doesn't have anticatabolic properties or was that a typo and your saying that it does?

i can't speak for chuck, but i believe he, longhorn, and i answered a thread about this a little while ago and we all believe that the anticatabolic properties of clen are overrated big time. the study that's cited often to state it has anticatabolic properties was done on rat's with dosages that no human would attempt to take if they knew what they were doing.

**mx3** · 04-27-2008, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by phate186

i can't speak for chuck, but i believe he, longhorn, and i answered a thread about this a little while ago and we all believe that the anticatabolic properties of clen are overrated big time. the study that's cited often to state it has anticatabolic properties was done on rat's with dosages that no human would attempt to take if they knew what they were doing.

they have done studies on horses with doses resembling what a human dose mcg/lb of body weight would be. the horses experienced anticatabolic effects. although animals have more beta receptors than humans so its hard to compare the two but no one here can rule out clens anticatabolic effects on humans until we see some human studies.

**Phate** · 04-27-2008, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by mx3

they have done studies on horses with doses resembling what a human dose mcg/lb of body weight would be. the horses experienced anticatabolic effects. although animals have more beta receptors than humans so its hard to compare the two but no one here can rule out clens anticatabolic effects on humans until we see some human studies.

agreed^^^, though wouldn't you agree that even if clen has anticatabolic properties they would be outweighed by the calorie deficit it would create during pct and he would possble lose gains from running it

**mx3** · 04-27-2008, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by phate186

agreed^^^, though wouldn't you agree that even if clen has anticatabolic properties they would be outweighed by the calorie deficit it would create during pct and he would possble lose gains from running it

Yes I agree with you on that. I mentioned above that I think clen in pct is no good and it is for the reason you just mentioned. Personally I like clen but I would never use it without aas again but I have nice results in conjunction with aas to help preserve lean mass.

**Phate** · 04-27-2008, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by mx3

Yes I agree with you on that. I mentioned above that I think clen in pct is no good and it is for the reason you just mentioned. Personally I like clen but I would never use it without aas again but I have nice results in conjunction with aas to help preserve lean mass.

sadly i can't cycle, or to be more specific it would be detrimental to me so i don't, though i was thinking of running clen during the summer, did you lose lbm while on it?

**New2Anabolic** · 04-27-2008, 06:45 PM

are you whoring my thread?

**Phate** · 04-27-2008, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by New2Anabolic

are you whoring my thread?

LOL, a little, my bad, though i thought it might be good to hear from a experienced user if they actually lost lbm because of clen

**mx3** · 04-27-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by phate186

sadly i can't cycle, or to be more specific it would be detrimental to me so i don't, though i was thinking of running clen during the summer, did you lose lbm while on it?

Im running it for the third time right now but im using aas as well. The first time I used it was without aas and it worked great but I lost some lean mass in the process. For someone who doesn't cycle I still think it is worth it just be prepared to lose some muscle and dont drop cals too low, personally Id stay at maintenance level or just under while using it and just up your cardio more than usual. You will pry have to try it and adjust cals to see what works best for you to retain your lean mass, everybody responds different. You can also try albuterol, results aren't as good but it doesn't cause heart cell death, breathing wasn't affected and in all sides are alot better, actually the only side I got from it was headaches. sorry to the thread starter I will stop whoring your thread.

**mick86** · 04-28-2008, 08:15 AM

New2Anabolic sorry 2 provoke others to be lead astray from your original question. Thanks for the clarification though people.

**ChuckLee** · 04-28-2008, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by mick86

Sorry chuck I dont quite understand you here, are you saying that clen doesn't have anticatabolic properties or was that a typo and your saying that it does?

It seems to have not. Many people (me too) say that it's valid for fatloss purposes only.

CL