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04-04-2008, 02:21 AM #1New Member
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What Test Ester Type, Stacking, and Side Effects?
I've been reading this great forum quite long, and as my steroid plans are getting close to the zero hour, I'd like to double check.
I - Test ester type
I'm confused whether I should go with test e or test cyp. This quote says that test cyp is exactly the same except that it gives a better "kick".
1- what "kick" means htere
2- if so, then test cyp is better than test e, why so many members use test e then? anything marketing, or ease of finding legit related?
many steroid users believe that test cyp is more or less powerful than the other popular injectable testosterone enanthate. The truth is, they are almost identical in release patterns, so there is virtually no difference between the two. However, as far back as the printing of the first Underground Steroid Handbook, there has been speculation that Cyp had more “kick” than Enth.
II - Stacking
I see many use Deca with whatever test they use - Why? Isn't Deca just about muscle size increase exactly as test (with the exception of fewer side effects)? So why would I need Deca, if I'm already using a stronger one?
I don't get this, but I see many people stacking Deca with test, and I'd like to know the reason in "depth".
III - Side effects
Bitch tits - I'll be using Nolvadex instead of Clomid as steroid.com mentions in its "steroid profiles" board that the former is better than the latter. Feedback needed!
Baldness - Nizoral shampoo and/or Propecia for combating DHT as my X chromosome is insecure (some balds on mom's side). Any better alternatives? I'm worried about baldness specially that my hair is decent, and losing it would have huge impact on my looks.
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04-04-2008, 03:37 AM #2
I don't mind what that "kick" should stand for, but I can tell you the majority of test users take it in the Enanthate form rather than Cypionate for 2 reasons maily: it takes less time to "kick", having a slightly shorter ester than cyp; then for most of its forms it comes on a concentration of 250mg/ml rather than 200mg/ml of cyp.
People use deca because it is a DHT derivative, it means that it is a chemically alterated form of test, to make it a more anabolic substance, with a consequence in more protein synthesis that means more mass increase (generally).
You don't have to worry about using deca yet, because for a first cycle you have to see how your body reacts to test and nothing else, being the prime of all AAS.
On a test only cycle Nolva is the better choice to avoid gyno.
Nizoral or Propecia as you mentioned will be fine to counter hairloss.
CLLast edited by ChuckLee; 04-04-2008 at 03:39 AM.
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04-04-2008, 06:07 AM #3New Member
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Some speculated Deca to be DHT antagonist, that it would compete with DHT for receptors (any of you guys heard of that?) in that logic you can by replacing some test with deca avoid DHT related side effects such as hair and prostate sides since Deca is lot less androgenic than DHT , I suppose that this (if true) would work for moderate to low dosages
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04-04-2008, 06:29 AM #4
Yes, under a certain point of view, but it isn't true that test always convert to DHT.
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04-05-2008, 06:37 AM #5New Member
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Thanks a lot guys. Few more concerns..
Anti-Estrogen
1) What about taking Arimidex instead of Nolva? Anyone here used or still using Arimidex instead of Nolva? Price difference? Comments?
2) Another concern in this regard is increasing levels of cholesterol. Although having lesser of estrogen is good regarding bitch-tits, but some websites state that estrogen has positive impact on controlling cholestrol values, which might be lost when anti-estrogens are being used - any advices in this regard? What do experienced people here say?
Baldness
1) 5 alpha-reductase enzyme blockers (such as Propecia), reduce DHT (good) but DHT itself works as anti-estrogen as well (as some websites state). How should I modify my anti-estrogen dose? Should I wait until my chest is sore and then alter my intake accordingly? Feedback please.
2) Propecia causes decrease (or even permanent removal) in libido, dificulty achieving an erection and a decrease in the amount of semen released. Any idea what's the cause of this side-effect? Any safer 5A-R enzyme blocker?Last edited by SecureZone; 04-05-2008 at 08:49 AM.
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04-05-2008, 10:51 AM #6
During you cycle it would be a good idea taking an AI versus a SERM. For PCT having Nolva or a SERM would be better.
Yes Finasteride and Dutasteride will reduce the conversion of test into DHT....the main culprit in hairloss. The latter would be more efficient in doing this. If you are prone to gyno then yes it would be a good idea to have an AI on hand just in case but you might not need it. Topical such as Nizoral or Spiro can be used to reduce DHT on the scalp, albeit at a less effective way.
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04-05-2008, 10:12 PM #7
Wait to use the deca until uv been liftn for 10-15 years and ur joints start to kill you. I can't do skull crushers anymore and Im in my late 20's. Oh and there is a very good chance you dick will not work because of progesterone as well with tren . So if you go with the deca have hcg . Oh and I woul d also recommend clomid over nolv as he wil need it at the end regardless even withn a test only cycle.
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