First time trenbolone

[hockeyguy]

Bro's, looking at starting my first 6 week cycle of Trenbolone . Just have hit a wall with the workouts. I have a guy here that is setting me up but looking for some other experianced advice. He recommended 37.5-50 mg eod along with 75 mg of test. eod. I had another guy say its not always needed.

31 yrs old
5'9 - 165
looking to put on 15lbs of muscle

Thanks guys

[SMCengineer]

165lbs and your gonna run tren ? Have you ran a cycle before?

[longhorn814]

165 lbs? seriously? learn how to properly eat to build muscle..if you cant build muscle naturally at those stats, then you will NOT build any keepable muscle from steroids ..read this..diet is way more important and dont tell me you have a high metabolism..if thats the case you just have to eat more...

UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet...

[jstraw428]

EAT!!!! EAT!!!! TRAIN!!!!! EAT SOME MORE!!!!!!!! TRAIN SOME MORE!!!!!!!! and for gods sake, do some reseach on this stuff for yourselves, listening to the guy who is selling you the gear.....he is in it for the money(usually).....

[Raw Deal]

Bro's, looking at starting my first 6 week cycle of Trenbolone . Just have hit a wall with the workouts. I have a guy here that is setting me up but looking for some other experianced advice. He recommended 37.5-50 mg eod along with 75 mg of test. eod. I had another guy say its not always needed.

31 yrs old
5'9 - 165
looking to put on 15lbs of muscle

Thanks guys

BRO LETS START OVER..DONT LISTEN TO YOUR BOY. First off 6 wks won't do shit except get yop started for you to loose it ! 50mg of tren for 6 wks is about as good as whey protein and supps w/ a good diet...If you want 15lbs, theres no way your gonna do that in that amount of time .Here is a decent idea IMO..
wks 1-4 30mg dball kick
wks 1-12 test 250mg wk, 1 inj (test-e)
wks 3-10 100mg Tren EOD
Now you will get 15 lbs off that if you eat right...and the test will help you w/ trn sides & also put some weight on that boney ASS...LOL...
Now i'm no Big Boy, but i'm 180 @ 5'6 10 % BF.

[hockeyguy]

Ok I knew I'd get chewed up and spit out.
1) First time running.
2) Not what you want to hear but I do have high meta. I was a fighter in my early 20's and fought at 115 lbs never had to worry about wieght. The last 2 1/2 years put on 25 lbs from working out but just can't get that extra bulk I'm looking for. Maybe I'll have to get a better diet I will look into it. Thanks
3) As for research I have been doing it for about 4 months now. Was going to go the HGH route but just didn't seem I would get what I'm looking for and $. Every different link you click on it seems to tell you something different. One says one thing than another goes against that. Why do you think I'm here? Trying to get some advice from you guys not just jumping in.

Is there anything you would recommend to help speed up what I'm looking for? What about running test. E?
Don't want to piss you guys off.

[longhorn814]

seriously work on your diet..its the most important part of this game..it will dictate what type of gains you get and keep from steroids ..you need to work on eating to grow first, otherwise you wont be able to keep what you get from AAS..as far as HGH goes, thats not really a mass builder either..typical first cycle is 500mg/wk of test e for 10-12 weeks followed by proper PCT starting 14 days after last shot of test

[SMCengineer]

Bro don't take offense to this, but if you'd been doing research you wouldn't have come up with a Tren only cycle for a first. Your not really ready for aas, but your mostly likely gonna to do it anyway so I'll tell you to research Test E for a first cycle. If you diet correctly you'll easily gain more than 15lbs.

[longhorn814]

oh yeah tren isnt a beginner steroid either..its one of the harshest and most supressive steroids there is..you need to wait on that one too

[hockeyguy]

Blome - Maybe I'm looking at the wrong things but here is a link to one i've been reading http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-trenbolone.aspx
Novice:
Testosterone propionate 100-150mg eod, 6-8weeks
Trenbolone acetate 75-100mg eod, 6-8 weeks, PCT 4 days after last prop injection
To be honest I'm not 100% sure if I'm going to take.

I will read the link that longhorn send over about dieting and research some Test E. NO TREN for the time being. Thanks man.

I'm sure I'll be back asking questions LOL

[hockeyguy]

Lonhghorn814, I went through and read that info thanks a bunch bro. My question is when it comes to protein & Carb shakes is that just an extra little kick or should that be in my calculation for the day also any you would recommend? I see about an extra 500 cals per day will give you 1 lb in gain per week. Is it ok to go for 2lbs per week or is that over doing it? Time to set up a better diet and do more research on test e. You guys are great

[longhorn814]

you also want to make sure youre not eating too much b/c it could get stored as fat..remember Rome wasnt built in a day..patience is the key to building quality muscle..shakes should be counted as part of your daily nutrition, however, try to limit the number you take/day as its better to get your nutrition from food than from supplements, but thats not always possible..i usually have 2 shakes/day..sometimes 3 depending on myschedule

[hockeyguy]

Make sense.

[bfsparty]

My .02....
Once you are in this stuff takes on a life of its own. What if you get sides? start getting gyno? Then what is your guy at the gym that wants to hook you up on tren gonna tell you? ... Do you know about PCT and the umpteen ways to work that program? To even do this right, you could very well need your test, AI, HCG and Clomid/Nolva: all on hand. See? Many moving parts. Research the sh&t out of lifting, eating, sleeping, and tracking your progress. The best quote above is Rome was not built in a day. Study, research it. You will be so happy and proud that you took that approach. It is your body, your life, and as far as we all know, you dont get two of either...

[hockeyguy]

I think one of my mistakes was researching to much from google. I've been staying strickly to this site since the post and realizing how bad Tren would have been for me to start with. Talked to the wife tonight and I'm going to really focus on the diet here. I think once I get that down look at possibly doing 400mg/Wk of Test e alone. I've read that it should be every 3-4 days but also saw every other day? Also for PCT I was thinking 14 days after last shot Nova 20mg eod and Clomid 100mg eod for 60 days. Like I say I need to spend my time on here and look for advice from guys like you. Once again thanks bro.

[Raw Deal]

I think one of my mistakes was researching to much from google. I've been staying strickly to this site since the post and realizing how bad Tren would have been for me to start with. Talked to the wife tonight and I'm going to really focus on the diet here. I think once I get that down look at possibly doing 400mg/Wk of Test e alone. I've read that it should be every 3-4 days but also saw every other day? Also for PCT I was thinking 14 days after last shot Nova 20mg eod and Clomid 100mg eod for 60 days. Like I say I need to spend my time on here and look for advice from guys like you. Once again thanks bro.

Bro no disrepect but your all over the map..your first post was about Tren only, You got feedback, and i told you about test in my post...then you said heres what i been reading, wich was a cycle of test/ tren ect....well if thats what you were reading about then why the Tren only Thread ?
Bro listen to these Bro's If you don't like my opinion...NO tren for first cycles..the shit is no joke, kills your body, shuts it down hard.....You need test/test/Test/ diet/diet/diet/.
GREAT BEGINNER IMO...CAKE CYCLE
1-4-dbal=30mg ED
1-12 test-e 250=500mg wk
3 wks after last inj= 50mg clomid ED
20mg nova ED......run PCT for 28 days bro !

You will get good results on that ,and wont hurt yourself if your hellbent on running a cycle now, without proper knowlage....hey i'm not putting you down, thats what i did years ago...started without knowing what the hell i was doing, then wondered why everybody got so pissed on the forums, LOL, Well i was asking Dumb shit, just didnt know what i was asking was commom sence to anybody that had a Clue about AS! Good Luck !

[longhorn814]

Bro no disrepect but your all over the map..your first post was about Tren only, You got feedback, and i told you about test in my post...then you said heres what i been reading, wich was a cycle of test/ tren ect....well if thats what you were reading about then why the Tren only Thread ?
Bro listen to these Bro's If you don't like my opinion...NO tren for first cycles..the shit is no joke, kills your body, shuts it down hard.....You need test/test/Test/ diet/diet/diet/.
GREAT BEGINNER IMO...CAKE CYCLE
1-4-dbal=30mg ED
1-12 test-e 250=500mg wk
3 wks after last inj= 50mg clomid ED
20mg nova ED......run PCT for 28 days bro !

You will get good results on that ,and wont hurt yourself if your hellbent on running a cycle now, without proper knowlage....hey i'm not putting you down, thats what i did years ago...started without knowing what the hell i was doing, then wondered why everybody got so pissed on the forums, LOL, Well i was asking Dumb shit, just didnt know what i was asking was commom sence to anybody that had a Clue about AS! Good Luck !

actually PCT should start 14 days after last shot of test, not 3 weeks and you should run PCT until you feel recovered, not just 28 days..the guy realized he made his mistakes and is going to work on his diet..no need to jump down his throat

[hockeyguy]

Raw Deal ,first thanks for all the input.
Yes you did bring a test e cycle to my attention. My first post was about Tren because the guy I workout with recommended it I did some research like I stated but it was through google not here. Well one link which I posted gave a cycle for novice but after all the help from you guys and strickly reading from here and not google anymore I understand I was way over my head with Tren. Like I say thanks to all who help with that.
I like your cycle but for me I think just starting off on test e for 10-12 weeks. What do you think of my last post about the 400mg/wk shot every 3 days and the PTC? ALso like I said the wife his hitting the store to get this diet down first and while I start that more research and more questions. This site is so helpful for people like myself. No work today so a full day of going through this website, until the wife starts yelling to help out around the house. LOL

Sometimes I wish you could find a guy you trusted and just talk to him/her about whats best for you.

[hockeyguy]

Longhorn - I read on one of the links here that the Clomid 100mg was eod? Is this wrong and should be ed. Also saw one where they start at 100 and slowly lower it as they go?
I guess same with Nolva 20mg eod or ed.

[longhorn814]

clomid and nolva are usually taken every day during PCT..there are lot of different way people have taken clomid..just keep reading

[Raw Deal]

Raw Deal ,first thanks for all the input.
Yes you did bring a test e cycle to my attention. My first post was about Tren because the guy I workout with recommended it I did some research like I stated but it was through google not here. Well one link which I posted gave a cycle for novice but after all the help from you guys and strickly reading from here and not google anymore I understand I was way over my head with Tren. Like I say thanks to all who help with that.
I like your cycle but for me I think just starting off on test e for 10-12 weeks. What do you think of my last post about the 400mg/wk shot every 3 days and the PTC? ALso like I said the wife his hitting the store to get this diet down first and while I start that more research and more questions. This site is so helpful for people like myself. No work today so a full day of going through this website, until the wife starts yelling to help out around the house. LOL

Sometimes I wish you could find a guy you trusted and just talk to him/her about whats best for you.

Bro hope you didnt take my post as "jumping down your throat" i did say No disrespct..i just hate it when Bro's new to this get Bunk info..it's no joke, you really want to get MAX progress w/ this shit, or it's a waste, and IDK about you, But i can't waste Any $$$$$$$$$$$$$$..lol.
aS FAR AS EVERY THIRD DAY, I DON'T, WHY STICK MYSELF MORE THAN I HAVE TO imo...tEST-e HAS A GOOD HALF LIFE, 2 INJ WK IS PEFECT imo !
( SHIT THE CAPS LOCK IS ON)

[Raw Deal]

actually PCT should start 14 days after last shot of test, not 3 weeks and you should run PCT until you feel recovered, not just 28 days..the guy realized he made his mistakes and is going to work on his diet..no need to jump down his throat

I have read so many different ways on different forums i guess one would have to do blood levels to really know, BUT THIS DOES MAKE SENCE SEEing HOW THE TEST WOULD BE OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM.

[jeffefrijoles]

Hockeyguy, here is a good PCT protocol for your Test cycle. There are others, but this one is very basic and solid. Spend some time in the PCT forum section as I have found PCT protocols harder to choose from then the actual AAS cycle!! So many choices as everyone reacts differently... Most important piece of advice I would give is to MAKE SURE YOU HAVE EVERYTHING ON HAND BEFORE YOU START! You'll want to keep gyno and possible hair loss in mind as well. Good luck!

Pheedno's PCT

[hockeyguy]

Raw Deal No sweat bro. hey I'm hear to learn and you guys know more than me(at least for now. LOL) Seriously thanks. I'm tinking instead of every 3rd day just do a Monday And Thursday shot. Make sense.

Jeff - Thanks for the link I will go over it for sure. This gyno has my freaked. I was on the PCT and stocky121 had a link "the unofficial how to do pct thread" Which my understanding from it is Nolva can cause or make existing gyno worse but other say use it. Thats where I get confused.

[jeffefrijoles]

If you are freaked about gyno, check out this thread by C Bino - its basically the gyno bible around here! Good info.

All you need to know about GYNO.

Have some Letro on hand. Spend some time and read the educational threads - again, lots of good info. Take care and safe growing!

[Raw Deal]

Raw Deal No sweat bro. hey I'm hear to learn and you guys know more than me(at least for now. LOL) Seriously thanks. I'm tinking instead of every 3rd day just do a Monday And Thursday shot. Make sense.

Jeff - Thanks for the link I will go over it for sure. This gyno has my freaked. I was on the PCT and stocky121 had a link "the unofficial how to do pct thread" Which my understanding from it is Nolva can cause or make existing gyno worse but other say use it. Thats where I get confused.

NO/NO,, nova can only make GYNO worse if on a nandrolone Bro, like DECA , or TREN ...thats why i said to stay clear of those for now and make the first cycle easy..
If you were on tren and got Progesterone Gyno, you would have to run different stuff, and that shit is expensive, three times as much as SERMS....Dostinex ect...is the GYNO Doctor for Nandrolones, with some Letro POSibly ! Mad Money..........................

[jeffefrijoles]

NO/NO,, nova can only make GYNO worse if on a nandrolone Bro, like DECA , or TREN ...thats why i said to stay clear of those for now and make the first cycle easy..
If you were on tren and got Progesterone Gyno, you would have to run different stuff, and that shit is expensive, three times as much as SERMS....Dostinex ect...is the GYNO Doctor for Nandrolones, with some Letro POSibly ! Mad Money..........................

He has said that he will just go with a Test cycle for now, so nolva is in. This will give him time to research Tren and 19 Nors and such and learn all about Prog/Prolactin issues. Lets keep this simple... Hockeyguy, just be sure to keep doing your research bud!

[hockeyguy]

Nolva is in! thanks all.
Jeff, been on this site all day since I woke up this sh** is worse than porn! LOL
Wife just hit the store for some early start on the diet. Its great to have her support.
With everyone here helppping I'm starting to feel a lot more comfortable with everything. But like they told me early on EAT EAT EAT. I keep researching and asking questions please don't get to pissed peeps.

[jeffefrijoles]

Make sure you do some research on estrogen as well, as you need estrogen to grow. Keep the ancillaries on hand and try not to use them unless you need to during the cycle. If you think you are prone to gyno, have them on hand and know how to use them. Good luck!

[hockeyguy]

Jeff could I PM with with a question as I'm currently reading the educational thread?

[jeffefrijoles]

Sure.

Here is another good thread on Estrogen for you.

Estrogen Will It Effect My Gains