trenbolone & sustanon stack, 1st cycle!

**dan2008** · 05-01-2008, 02:03 PM

I am 21, weigh 87kg's, im not sure on my bf% as ive haven't had it checked, i dont have a lot of body fat yet ive got enough to hide my ab's.

I am just about to start my 1st steroid cycle, i just want to make sure i have researched enough before i start, i have done nothing but read for the last week!

Firstly: I am going to stack trenbolone & sustanon on a 10 week cycle, tho i am unsure of how many mg's or ml's of each makes up a good stack per week, or how many shots to do per week, the guy i am getting them off will advise me but i wanted to know what the experts say? From what i have read this is not a bad cycle to start with? I am looking to pack on some lean muscle and loose the last bit of body fat i have.

Secondly: For my PCT i am going to use arimidex & clomiphene. the arimidex for 3 weeks (@.25mg each day) and the clomid for 4 weeks (@ 100mg for the 1st 2 weeks 50mg for the remaining 2). as i understand i start taking these the day after the last shot of my cycle, is this correct?

Any help would be greatly appreciated, even if your telling me go back to the drawing board and do some more research, i want to make sure im in the know, d-

**jAcKeD!!!!** · 05-01-2008, 02:07 PM

tren is a very heavy compound to run for a first cycle.
a beginner cycle would be running test only for 12 weeks.

**dan2008** · 05-01-2008, 02:08 PM

so should i just do a 12 week cycle of test e, or sustanon ? as i understand sustanon is 4 different types of test?

**Kratos** · 05-01-2008, 02:08 PM

87kg? With that number you could be anything from a tall bitch body, to a short blob, to a jacked mo-fo.

**Kratos** · 05-01-2008, 02:10 PM

People are gonna say no to tren for first cycle.
No to starting pct day after last injection, with sust, wait at least 2 weeks probably 3 before starting pct. I don't think arimidex and clomid are ideal but will work somewhat.

**Kratos** · 05-01-2008, 02:11 PM

what ester is the tren ? acetate? enth? other?

**dan2008** · 05-01-2008, 02:14 PM

im 6 foot 2 inches, so not a short blob lol,

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...9&id=510230295

im in the blue shorts on the left tho im not sure if the link will work, so you would recomend i just use the sus for my 1st cycle? and start pct 3weeks after last shot? what would you recomend using in pct if not clomid and arim?

thanks for the advise

**dan2008** · 05-01-2008, 02:15 PM

acetate

**Kratos** · 05-01-2008, 02:20 PM

Baised on that pic, I'd say another year of lifting and some diet advise would suit you best, but you don't want to hear that. Yeah, just the sust should do you fine. What do you have 250mg amps?

**jAcKeD!!!!** · 05-01-2008, 02:23 PM

looks to me your impatient and want to jump on AAS for a quick fix rather then focusing more on diet and training.

**dan2008** · 05-01-2008, 02:33 PM

ive started going to the gym in the mornings (the last 3 weeks) before work to do some cardio to loose the belley fat, ive also just brough the maximuscle thermobol, and im giving that a go, im eating good aswell, but only for the last month, ive been lifting on and off since i was 16 (old enough to join a gym)

ive got a trip to cancun planned in 2 months so i want to shape up for that, living in england, i cant wait as the weather here is.. well, british! i guess i am being impacient but why do a years more training when i can try a steroid cycle?

so i think ill go on the sustanon alone then as its my 1st cycle, and what you guys recomend, how many times, and how much should i shoot each week? i have 250mg amps, i will be asvised by the guy who im buying off but im sure you guys have the better advise?

**iagainsti** · 05-01-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by dan2008

ive started going to the gym in the mornings (the last 3 weeks) before work to do some cardio to loose the belley fat, ive also just brough the maximuscle thermobol, and im giving that a go, im eating good aswell, but only for the last month, ive been lifting on and off since i was 16 (old enough to join a gym)

ive got a trip to cancun planned in 2 months so i want to shape up for that, living in england, i cant wait as the weather here is.. well, british! i guess i am being impacient but why do a years more training when i can try a steroid cycle?

so i think ill go on the sustanon alone then as its my 1st cycle, and what you guys recomend, how many times, and how much should i shoot each week? i have 250mg amps, i will be asvised by the guy who im buying off but im sure you guys have the better advise?

Well since it sounds like you have made up your mind- I would run the Sust @ 125mg/eod to take advantage of the test prop and to keep your blood levels stable.

**Kratos** · 05-01-2008, 02:47 PM

Shoot an amp 2x a week like monday and thursday for example. Should do you fine.

**Kratos** · 05-01-2008, 02:47 PM

Visit the diet forum, it will help you greatly in keeping your gains.

**dan2008** · 05-01-2008, 02:49 PM

ok thanks. 125mg every other day then, what would you recomend for pct if not clomid & arim?
they are the two i had in mind but as i am new to this maybe there is a better combination i would benefit more from?
just out of intrest, if i was to stack the sus with tren , what should i expect? is there an obvious reason that you have advised its too potent for a 1st cycle? or should i just keep focused and think about stacking tren on my 2nd cycle?
or even 3rd

thanks for all your advise, most helpfull, d-

**Kratos** · 05-01-2008, 02:56 PM

I was a bit of a cowboy when I started, I went right for the tren . You'll get good gains off the sust alone. Run a mild AI, maybe like .25mg arimidex cycle long, and can't hurt to use 1-2mg of finasteride ed for your hair and you're prostate, even if you arn't sure you are prone to hairloss. You'll keep the bloat down and you don't want to find out the hard way you're hair isn't as firmly attached as you thought.

What to expect from tren? Hit up the search function. Hmmm, more side effects basically than you need to subject yourself to for a first cycle. Sleepless nights, sweating, tired and moody all the time.