First cycle soon. Here it is. CRITICS welcome.

**personaltrainermark** · 05-08-2008, 07:42 PM

Hello all, I just want to thank everyone for all the information on this Forum. I have learned alot reading every day here. I will be ready to start my first cycle soon. I am 5"11 187lbs 11% BF 3200-3500 Calories a day consisting of about 45% protein 35% carbs 20% fat. I may add a few more calories if I can with some Cytogainer shakes or something to that nature when I start my cycle. I plan on running this...

Cycle:
Weeks 1-10 Test-E 250x2 = 500mg wk
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 10x3 = 30mg day

For PCT I have clomid, nolvadex , and arimidex . I will run Pheedno's PCT but after first 7 days I will drop clomid to 50mg per day.

Day 1-7- .25mg Arimidex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 8-30- .25mg Arimidex + 50mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

Critique Me, Like I said Its going to be my first cycle so I do not know if I am prone to gyno or any other sides. A question I have is should I run the Arimidex at .25 EOD throughout entire cycle and then bump it to ED for PCT? Give me some input. Thanks Guys.

**senseicarr** · 05-08-2008, 07:45 PM

I love cytogainer....... Its my best friend..
Dbol on the frist i would pass on that bro.
Test only and eat about 5000 to 6000 cals a day and youll be good to go..

**Phate** · 05-08-2008, 07:48 PM

how old are you, then we can help, though i think i've replyed to you before, can't remember though

**personaltrainermark** · 05-08-2008, 07:51 PM

Sorry Im 22

**shifty_git** · 05-08-2008, 07:53 PM

Its recommended you use one compound for a first cycle to see how you react... this is also said for orals.

But

As the dbol is for only the first 4 weeks its will become obvious if it was that causing any sides once its stopped.

Most guys do add it for a kickstart.

Rest of the cycle looks great!

Keep arimidex on hand and only take it if you need it.

Obviously you understand the effect sodium in ya diet has on water retention (well hope ya do if ya a trainer! lol) so keep it low and plenty of water to flush ya system.
So taking that approach to cut water retention it will be clear if you get a bad case its due to estrogen and its time to take the arimidex.
Other early symptom that you need to take it will be sensitive nipples.

**personaltrainermark** · 05-08-2008, 07:57 PM

Thanks alot yeah I don't eat much sodium loaded foods at all. No canned foods just fresh or frozen veggies. And all I drink is water so that will not be a problem either :-D Since a couple of you suggested to take the D-bol out of the cycle I'll probably take the advice and just run the test for the 10 weeks and save the D-bol for a later cycle.

What about daily vitamins and other normal supps, what do you guys recommend taking "on cycle".

**shifty_git** · 05-08-2008, 08:00 PM

Take what you normally would.

If you do include the oral some milk thistle and liv-52 is worth running. (some guys they help, some they dont - but are cheap to buy)

Some guys hold off the creatine while on cycle as and start it back with the PCT, but thats personal choice.

**personaltrainermark** · 05-08-2008, 08:01 PM

Thanks Shify.

**shifty_git** · 05-08-2008, 08:08 PM

Ya obviously actually done ya research - good on ya fella! Thats the kind of members we like here!

Cycles always go so much better when you have done the research yourself and not been spoon fed.

If you have been training hard for years you will really enjoy this cycle.

**personaltrainermark** · 05-10-2008, 12:21 PM

bump

**VR4** · 05-10-2008, 12:43 PM

Personally I would it for 12 weeks...and I don't see any problem with using the dbol as a kicker. I would also use arimidex at .25 eod while on the dbol to keep water retention down.
It can be a pain in the ass waiting for the test to kick in...thats why I suggest keeping the dbol.

**Bulldog1115** · 05-10-2008, 12:53 PM

well its up to you if u wanna test the waters and see how you react to the testosterone or throw in the dbols to get the early kick? i would save the dbols for a later cycle but its your choice!

**personaltrainermark** · 05-11-2008, 02:21 PM

Thanks guys. I have decided I will use the d-bol for the first 4 weeks. Like shifty said I will know if it was the d-bol once off. Thanks for all the help fellas.

**shifty_git** · 05-11-2008, 02:23 PM

Good luck on it fella!

Doing ya research b4 starting will pay off.

**love2lift54** · 05-11-2008, 07:19 PM

this may be a basic question but i heard u say that a first cycle a person should stick with one as. is that a good rule to stick with?

**BayouPumps** · 05-11-2008, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by love2lift54

this may be a basic question but i heard u say that a first cycle a person should stick with one as. is that a good rule to stick with?

of course it is, reason being is that you might have a bad reaction to something and taking more than 1 thing while getting a bad reaction = still not knowing what gave you the bad reaction. If you are on a test only cycle and you get a bad reaction then there is no question what it came from.

**bmit** · 05-11-2008, 07:29 PM

imo best to just run test for 1st cycle. that way as was suggested you know what is causing what when you throw in dbol on your next cycle.

**RANA** · 05-11-2008, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by VR4

Personally I would it for 12 weeks...and I don't see any problem with using the dbol as a kicker. I would also use arimidex at .25 eod while on the dbol to keep water retention down.
It can be a pain in the ass waiting for the test to kick in...thats why I suggest keeping the dbol.

I agree, increase your test by 2 weeks. As for me I would not take armidex unless needed. I really could care less about bloating, it's the end result that you are looking for, by taking arimidex it will effect your gains.

Do what Shifty stated, watch your sodium and have milk thistle until after the dbol.

Save your creatine until after the cycle