test and winni

**steel113** · 04-30-2008, 08:06 AM

ok guys i'm finishing my pct of the cycle that i just end(bulking) and i want to put some together that will get rid of some of the unwanted weight that i put on during the cycle and lean me out some more. my stats are

26 yrs old
215 lbs
5'-7"
working out hard for over a year now (i was in the military so physical training had been a part of my life for a while)

what i plan on doing is:

test e: weeks 1-12 500mg/wk front loaded with 500mg on day one
wini (inj): weeks 6-12 150mg/wk

pct:

nolva: week 1-6 20mg/day
aromasin : weeks 1-5 20 mg/day
hcg : weeks 1-3 500iu/day
vit e: weeks 1-4 1000 iu/day

let me know if there is anything else that i am missing or that i could add. i know that i will have to cut me diet down being that i'm getting off a bulking but other than that I'll take any suggestions.

**jAcKeD!!!!** · 04-30-2008, 11:09 AM

test e at 500mg/week will not be a cutting cycle.
winy inject 150mg once a week? or are they divided and if so into what?

**steel113** · 04-30-2008, 12:00 PM

the winny will be divided into three shots a week for a total of 150 mg... as far as the test what do you recommend. i have never really used less then 500 so i just figured that would be a good base, but give me whatever ideas you have

**steel113** · 05-09-2008, 07:39 AM

come on guys 71 views and only one person had something to say about the cycle?

**ChuckLee** · 05-09-2008, 07:57 AM

What is your current bf%?

**guinho** · 05-09-2008, 08:02 AM

use prop instead of enant. and use winstrol 50mg/day

**ChuckLee** · 05-09-2008, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by guinho

use prop instead of enant. and use winstrol 50mg/day

Why replace Enan? Prop is not a need while cutting

**Phate** · 05-09-2008, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

Why replace Enan? Prop is not a need while cutting

agreed^^^ if his diet is in check, which is the most important thing, and he uses arimidex to control water retention then test enth is fine

Steel113, if you want i can post a starter thread i made that has a ton of info in it about first cycles for you to look over so you have a good base of knowledge before starting your cycle

**steel113** · 05-11-2008, 11:08 AM

hey phate, yeah that would work that way i have something to reference. as far as the prop i can't use it because i have a reaction to that ester. lumps,flu, soreness beyond 4 days, things like that. my current BF% is around 21. thats why i want to do a cutting cycle. my diet is post in the diet forum (if you look in my post history you'll find it there), and i have made some small changes that perfect beast recommend. so that should be in check. the winny at 50mg/day is that 7 days a weeks or a 5 on 2 off split?

**Phate** · 05-11-2008, 07:07 PM

21%bf is a problem, if you run a cycle your going to risk high blood pressure and a host of other sides, i'd cut down to 15% at least before you cycle, since your diet is in the diet section it'll probably get critiqued which will help, i'll jump over there and take a look at it, you could look into using clen or albuterol to help with your cutting, here's a couple threads on them

Clenbuterol FAQ

Clen Faq. You better like it it took me ages.

Albuterol

Albuterol Article Property of Steroid.com

**bmit** · 05-11-2008, 07:32 PM

if you are at 21 bf, you can cut down to 15 with diet and cardio pretty easily w/o losing muscle. then you can run your cycle. if this is 1st cycle you should probably run the test by itself to see how you react. winny won't do anything really till u r at down to below 15% bf anywyas

**Ashop** · 05-11-2008, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by steel113

ok guys i'm finishing my pct of the cycle that i just end(bulking) and i want to put some together that will get rid of some of the unwanted weight that i put on during the cycle and lean me out some more. my stats are

26 yrs old
215 lbs
5'-7"
working out hard for over a year now (i was in the military so physical training had been a part of my life for a while)

what i plan on doing is:

test e: weeks 1-12 500mg/wk front loaded with 500mg on day one
wini (inj): weeks 6-12 150mg/wk

pct:

nolva: week 1-6 20mg/day
aromasin : weeks 1-5 20 mg/day
hcg : weeks 1-3 500iu/day
vit e: weeks 1-4 1000 iu/day

let me know if there is anything else that i am missing or that i could add. i know that i will have to cut me diet down being that i'm getting off a bulking but other than that I'll take any suggestions.

are you doing the inject of WINSTROL EOD or ED?

**WEBB** · 05-11-2008, 08:55 PM

you guys no winny is not for fat lose right....while it is used to help get lean, it is not fat lose, but water lose and helps to dry you out, that is why it is hard on the joints....also test e is not bad for cuttin and at a lower dose the increased metabolism can be used asa a cutter....test p would be better sinc eyou will hold less water...i would use tren to cut fat, but you are to new and tren is for more experienced users...you can use winny at 50mg ed for a help in weight lose, just remeber its only water your loosing....

**Phate** · 05-11-2008, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by phate186

21%bf is a problem, if you run a cycle your going to risk high blood pressure and a host of other sides, i'd cut down to 15% at least before you cycle, since your diet is in the diet section it'll probably get critiqued which will help, i'll jump over there and take a look at it, you could look into using clen or albuterol to help with your cutting, here's a couple threads on them

Clenbuterol FAQ

Clen Faq. You better like it it took me ages.

Albuterol

Albuterol Article Property of Steroid.com

he needs to cut before doing any cycles

**WEBB** · 05-11-2008, 09:21 PM

oh ya for sure...but doing win isnt gonna cut fat like he thinks and he is being told....

**Phate** · 05-11-2008, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by WEBB

oh ya for sure...but doing win isnt gonna cut fat like he thinks and he is being told....

agreed, winny wouldn't really do anything for him now anyway as it's more of a hardening agent and you can't see hardend muscle that's under a layer of fat

i was just making sure that my post and having to lower his body fat didn't get lost in all the advice on his cycle he was getting, i'd hate for him to go on cycle and risk all the sides because he didn't read he needs to cut down first

**steel113** · 05-12-2008, 11:21 AM

hey guys i really appreciate all the help, and no phate your advice has not gone by unheard. i have some clen on hand and i'm waiting to finish pct from a test only cycle that i just finished up and will start the cutting diet along with the clen. and i know that winny won't actually burn fat, i was just looking for something that i can take so that i may drop the weight with out give up lean muscle i have work too hard to get the little that i have ( i love being endomorphic). anyways thanks again for the help. however when and if i decide to do winny it should be used at 50mg/day?? and what dose of test would you recommend?

**Maverick_J8** · 05-12-2008, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by jAcKeD!!!!

test e at 500mg/week will not be a cutting cycle.

I disagree.

Very good for a cutting cycle. As you already know, it's diet that makes or break. I find Test E keeps muscle fullness even in a deficit, and even better on the carb up.