Calling all letro fans!

**GhostCrab** · 05-13-2008, 01:06 PM

ok, so here's my questions, there has been mixed reviews all over the place, but my gut is telling me that running a minimum of .15 mg of letro ed or eod pre,during, and post cycle is a good thing? I need a straight up answer lol, I keep getting such mixed advice. I'm already a big guy, 6'2, 215 lbs, and i am about to start my sustaplex 325 eod at 1/2 ml for a full 10 week cycle, and i really want to run letro with it to keep down my water weight and to prevent the gyno. so from all those who were in a similar boat as me, advice please!! little guys, i understand you want all the weight you can get, but us big guys would prefer not to have it, thanks ahead of time!!!

**jstraw428** · 05-13-2008, 01:20 PM

what are your stats?
Age?
lifting experience?
Cycle experience?
Diet?

and at 6'2 215lbs........is really not that big.......

**iagainsti** · 05-13-2008, 01:23 PM

Why not just run L-dex ? Letro is alot harsher and can mess with gains. Ldex .25mg ed or eod would be plenty to keep the bloat down but wont eliminate all the estrogen necessary to build lean mass.

**GhostCrab** · 05-13-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by jstraw428

what are your stats?
Age?
lifting experience?
Cycle experience?
Diet?

and at 6'2 215lbs........is really not that big.......

ok im not trying to sound huge, but im getting advice from people who started using as at 185 lbs... but anyway..

24
4 years lifting consistantly, 4 years prior on and off
no cycle experience
diet is good

do you have any letro experience?

**GhostCrab** · 05-13-2008, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by iagainsti

Why not just run L-dex ? Letro is alot harsher and can mess with gains. Ldex .25mg ed or eod would be plenty to keep the bloat down but wont eliminate all the estrogen necessary to build lean mass.

good advice, but i have the letro now because i decided that that was the best to go with. If i limit it to about .15 ml ed or eod that shouldn't be too much right?

**jstraw428** · 05-13-2008, 01:29 PM

I have used letro 3 seperate times to get rid of gyno.......If this is your first cycle, i would definately not start off with letro........You might not be gyno prone at all......

**GhostCrab** · 05-13-2008, 01:31 PM

well how bout to keep water weight down

**jstraw428** · 05-13-2008, 01:31 PM

Letro is a very strong AI......since you already have it, keep it on hand, but i would definatly get some L-dex if you are really worried about gyno.......What does your PCT look like?

**bmit** · 05-13-2008, 01:32 PM

letro is working well at eliminating my gyno at 30 days in. Gains have been hindered ad sex drives is hurting. but better than having moobies

**GhostCrab** · 05-13-2008, 01:32 PM

bayoupumps! i see you there, you are interested in the letro, i know you are haha

**GhostCrab** · 05-13-2008, 01:33 PM

ok, so regardless of dosage, letro should only be used if signs of gyno show? I have nolva and the letro for pct

**GhostCrab** · 05-13-2008, 01:34 PM

well "hindered" gains dont sound as bad as "b!tch tits" lol

**jstraw428** · 05-13-2008, 01:35 PM

you do not want to take nolva and letro at the same time......if you are going to take nolva, then you might want to consider running some aromasin throughout your cycle and through PCT

**lex57** · 05-13-2008, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by jstraw428

you do not want to take nolva and letro at the same time......if you are going to take nolva, then you might want to consider running some aromasin throughout your cycle and through PCT

how come you dont recommend nolva and letro together j?

**iagainsti** · 05-13-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by GhostCrab

ok, so regardless of dosage, letro should only be used if signs of gyno show? I have nolva and the letro for pct

Unless you have existing gyno or are very prone to it I would just keep the letro handy. If you start to see signs of gyno that is the isht you want to knock it back. L-dex is best while on cycle for bloat and nolva for your pct.

**GhostCrab** · 05-13-2008, 01:46 PM

yea, lex i thought you said that was a good idea lol

**lex57** · 05-13-2008, 01:46 PM

ok guys how about dosages......

**jstraw428** · 05-13-2008, 01:47 PM

Its not that i dont recommend these two together, especially if you have gyno going into PCT.....but nolva decreases the levels of both A-dex and letro in the blood.....although they would work, it would be on less of a level so to speak.....thats why alot of people switch to aromasin for pct, bc it is not affected by the nolva

**lex57** · 05-13-2008, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by GhostCrab

yea, lex i thought you said that was a good idea lol

yep i think its kinda the concensus here.

**jstraw428** · 05-13-2008, 01:48 PM

letro is some strong stuff, if you dont have signs of gyno, and are just using it for estrogen, then you could probably go as low as .25mg eod......

**lex57** · 05-13-2008, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by jstraw428

Its not that i dont recommend these two together, especially if you have gyno going into PCT.....but nolva decreases the levels of both A-dex and letro in the blood.....although they would work, it would be on less of a level so to speak.....thats why alot of people switch to aromasin for pct, bc it is not affected by the nolva

i just wondered because i dont know why but when everyone was so high on letro a while back i started using low dose letro and nolva for my pct. which i will say right now i dont recommend to anyone else. but it works for me, man i feel great when i am using those two together, but i know everyone is different.

**GhostCrab** · 05-13-2008, 01:50 PM

thats what i was saying, or as you suggested lex, .15mg

**lex57** · 05-13-2008, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by GhostCrab

thats what i was saying, or as you suggested lex, .15mg

i believe i said 0.5 mg didnt i? yeah, post 18.................... 0.5

**jstraw428** · 05-13-2008, 01:53 PM

i had to use the letro to reverse gyno 3 different times, so i had to use higher dosages of it.....drastically hinder my gains, almost no sex drive......

**GhostCrab** · 05-13-2008, 01:55 PM

ok, so you really don't have any experience using it on cycle, you just used it after you already had signs of gyno..

Lex, i know you know what I am talking about, so just tell me what you use, .5mg eod?

**lex57** · 05-13-2008, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by jstraw428

i had to use the letro to reverse gyno 3 different times, so i had to use higher dosages of it.....drastically hinder my gains, almost no sex drive......

yeah see the low dose it definitely didnt hurt my sexdrive at all. if anything, i know it sounds crazy but it through the roof during pct. and then i am still good after, thats why i have stuck with it.

**jstraw428** · 05-13-2008, 01:58 PM

yes i have used it on a bunch of cycles......

**GhostCrab** · 05-13-2008, 02:00 PM

so lex, .5mg eod pre,during and post?

**lex57** · 05-13-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by GhostCrab

ok, so you really don't have any experience using it on cycle, you just used it after you already had signs of gyno..

Lex, i know you know what I am talking about, so just tell me what you use, .5mg eod?

actually when i am on and my wedding ring starts getting real tight or i get itchy nips or something i run it .5 mg/day. now for pct i use .25 mg/day. because i figure during cycle i am not running to PREVENT it i am running it to GET it off. so i bump it a little.

**GhostCrab** · 05-13-2008, 02:03 PM

any other inputs from all you other viewers?

**GhostCrab** · 05-13-2008, 02:06 PM

ok so heres what I am gonna do .25mg/day while on cycle and if i start to notice anything i will bump it to .5mg for a day. Listen I don't care if i don't get maximum results, i just would like to get some solid gains while trying to keep the water weight and potential for gyno down, so im gonna go with that, and then cycle off with some nolva

**GhostCrab** · 05-13-2008, 02:08 PM

people say it will hinder results, well of course it will the water gives you strength but i'm sure when i will be putting about 600 ccs of testosterone a week into my body for 10 weeks that i will still see some gains