Oxandrolona or Winstrol for first cicle ever, and searching mass.

**andrea123** · 05-16-2008, 08:14 PM

Hey everyone,

This is my first cicle ever and all I can find in my town is Oxandrolona or Winstrol .

I read winstrol is for cutting but yet again the chart it has more mass gain
than oxandrolona.

I'm looking to gain weight and maybe some cutting, but more weight.

Also the safer the better, I developed a mild gynocomastia case about 3 years ago, so i don't want that to repeat.

Any help will be great, thanks.

Age: 24
Weight: 164 pounds
1.84mts ( about 6 feet )
Been training for 1 year.

**Big** · 05-16-2008, 08:15 PM

For starters, your stats?

**andrea123** · 05-16-2008, 08:33 PM

Age: 24
Weight: 164 pounds
Been trining for 1 year.

**jc95605** · 05-16-2008, 08:38 PM

mass without gyno...hmmm. Well I would look at test E or if you don't want to inject perhaps tbol. Dbol will give you more mass but your risk of gyno will be getter. I think a low dose of dbol or a higher dose of tbol will give you about the same size but tbol will give you more strength.

**Big** · 05-16-2008, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by atosvitara

Age: 24
Weight: 180 pounds
Been trining for 1 year.

height?
body fat%?

**BayouPumps** · 05-16-2008, 08:39 PM

Click Drug Name to View Profile: Anavar

**andrea123** · 05-16-2008, 08:40 PM

I don't mind injecting my self.

Sorry , I'm gona sound likea total newb but.. what's tbol ?

**BayouPumps** · 05-16-2008, 08:40 PM

Click Drug Name to View Profile: Winstrol

**dedic8ed1** · 05-16-2008, 08:46 PM

Only training 1 year you ain't ready yet.What did you take that caused gyno?

The drugs you suggested shouldn't be taken alone,you can take anavar alone but a waste IMO.Test should be the base for any cycle.For a first cycle Test E alone will provide good gains.Your definitly not ready for a drug like winstrol .Anavar is a mild steroid good for lean gains and strength,BUT IF YOU WANNA MAXIMIZE GAINS get some time in training and knowledge of diet and how powerful the combonitaion are with being dedicated to it can be, then you can consider using gear with an educational responsible approach.Don't rush it.

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**jc95605** · 05-16-2008, 08:52 PM

no problem atos. Go to this link and read up on tbol. tbol can be ran alone but obviously will have better results with some test. Anavar will work but it'll be expensive, especailly since you have to use so much. tbol has similar results and its cheaper but your about to read about that aren't ya.

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