size vs strength-----which stays, which goes

**Ocnorb36** · 10-20-2002, 12:49 AM

A quick post cycle question. I know most have talked about the size//weight gains achieved during a cycle and the success/failure of keeping said gains. I am interested to know about the strength side. Lets say during a cycle (I am assuming you have at least 1yr of lifting experience and have overcome at least one plateau without gear) you have a max bench of 300lbs (to keep the math simple). Over a 10 week beginner cycle (400mg//deca /wk 1-10, 500mg//test//wk 1-10, dbol jumpstart 40mg//ed//wk 1-4) lets say you gain 20% on your bench making your new max 360lbs. The cycle ends, you follow clomid therapy 300mg/100mg/50mg over 3 weeks with no dbol bridge. What realistically can you expect to keep. I am not wanting advice for strength type gear. Just wanting some opinions on actual strength gains retained post cycle. Include any analysis once the dbol kick ends. I assume it is possible that the strength gains could fluctuate during the cycle making the end results vary as well.

Oc

**seniormateus** · 10-20-2002, 12:54 AM

I am curious about this also and lets say anavar and masteron are substituted for d-bol at the end and the d-bol is used only at the beginning as a jump start.

**seniormateus** · 10-20-2002, 12:58 AM

Exuse me ocnorb36, I thought you were running d-bol at the end. I skimmed the post and got it wrong. I-m still curious about what anavar or masteron could do towards the end. This is a good question that would help my knowledge of AS and gainskeeping also.

**Ocnorb36** · 10-20-2002, 07:41 PM

bump

**Rickson** · 10-20-2002, 07:56 PM

It is almost an impossible question to answer. Everyone is so different that knowing what strength gains you will keep would be nothing more than a wild guess.

**Medicine Man** · 10-20-2002, 10:02 PM

this questions is impossible to answer... depends on how you train and how you diet for sure... i am MASSIVE for my size... i am about 185 at 5'5''... after my next cycle i hope to be about 200... BUT forget that, i train a certain way where i dont care too much about strength... i dont bench, squat, lift heavy AT ALL... i do controlled movements and that helps me fatigue and grow... HOWEVER i train a kid and i plan out his jucing cycles and he is 5'5'' 220.... he is SO SO fucking strong.... he squats 5 plates dead lifts impressive numbers, and he trains for that and is BIG as well.... i lose some strength after i juice... he doesnt... this question is a hypotheitcal which is hard to answer... first ask yourself what it is you are going for, i think once you do that you will be able to keep anything you gain
peace
MM

**BullDogg20** · 10-20-2002, 10:03 PM

i went from 295 lbs bench to 345 lbs bench in a 10 week cycle, with in weeks i was only doing like 325,

now my max is back near 295 because i just got back into training hard again, i was away on basic training for 10 weeks and didnt see one weight while i was their, it was brutal. been back in the gym for like a month. was only pressing 225 4 time a month ago now doing it 12 times.
maxing out at 295, jhopfully in the nest 3 weeks i wi ll be back to 3 plates a side, 315

gotta love that muscle memory

**Ocnorb36** · 10-21-2002, 06:38 AM

Bulldog that is what I was looking for. I would like personal stories of strength gains based on a cycle. I threw out a specific cycle but a cycle of your own with your own strength story is what I am interested in. Again, I hear a lot about weight and very little about strength. Just trying to get a different look at cycle results. Should have made that more clear in the original thread. Anymore strength stories would be appreciated.

Oc

**djdjdjddjon** · 10-21-2002, 06:47 AM

hypothetically, lets say if you went from 300 to 360, ,continued post cycle therapy , ate well, trained well, slept well...you'd probably keep on average 320-330...imo...but like a few people have already said this is an impossible question to answer being that everyone will react differently...and like i just said, this is hypothetical...hope that helps a bit

**Solo** · 10-21-2002, 06:56 AM

if you want to keep gains, long life esters are not verry good. Use shortlife water disolved gear instead, and don't cycle for 10 weeks. Cycle 2-3 weeks instead, take 6-8 weeks of, then cycle again, and repeat x times. This way you will be able to keep almost everything you gain, but ofcourse you won't gain as mutch as with longer cycles.

I have a friend whom cycled this way. He benched 250 before cycle, 280 after, and now 5 weeks later he bench 275.