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    what is PGCL????????

    i was just reading another thread and i was curious what it is

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    One tasty drug,only thing it did for me was drop weight on a DNP level.The main issue I had was dehydration and malnutrition due to the excessive bowel movements.It is a prostoglandin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goose4 View Post
    One tasty drug,only thing it did for me was drop weight on a DNP level.The main issue I had was dehydration and malnutrition due to the excessive bowel movements.It is a prostoglandin.
    That's why you lost weight!
    F*ck that sh*t. Why eat great food all day long just to sh*t it all out? One drug I did not like one bit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinnacle View Post
    That's why you lost weight!
    F*ck that sh*t. Why eat great food all day long just to sh*t it all out? One drug I did not like one bit...


    It amazes me how this game attracts extremely bizarre drugs,and the joke is we are willing to inject these drugs (stupid guys like me) I will do anything for that extra pound of muscle,the only thing I cant resist is is temptation.I was speaking to an old timer in the US on the phone last week,he said back in the day they use to use agent orange for fat loss,unbelievalble,,,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinnacle View Post
    That's why you lost weight!
    F*ck that sh*t. Why eat great food all day long just to sh*t it all out? One drug I did not like one bit...
    Agreed, I was shitting out undigested food - its like anal bulimia!

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    So It Pretty Much Works By Making You Crap Out Everything Without Even Getting The Nutrition Of What You Ate Or What.....im Trying To Suck Some Fat Off Fast And Ill Do Anything To Do So..im Not Like Super Large Or Anything Ive Just Been Battling Excess Bf My Whole Life And Im Tired Of It.....please......try And Explain It To Me Other Than You Crap Out Everything You Eat Except It Is Undigested....sounds Almost Like Exlax To Me.....does It Accually Help To Drop Bf

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    Quote Originally Posted by goose4 View Post


    It amazes me how this game attracts extremely bizarre drugs,and the joke is we are willing to inject these drugs (stupid guys like me) I will do anything for that extra pound of muscle,the only thing I cant resist is is temptation.I was speaking to an old timer in the US on the phone last week,he said back in the day they use to use agent orange for fat loss,unbelievalble,,,,


    AGENT ORANGE...THATS ****ING NUTS......THEY LOST FAT CAUSE THEY HAD CANCER...HOLY SHIT

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    But My Question Still Hasnt Been Answered Yet Either...i Have Been Told What It Does But What Exactly Is Pgcl.....i Almost Get The Same Thing If I Drink Milk

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    look it up bro. there is to much info and so many different opinions on it

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    PGCL isn't anything for me...
    Here's a post from allbeef who knows plenty) on ProM...



    Okay Bro's,

    Lets take some of the mystery out of china mans PGCL.

    First let me tell you that if you don't know, I have been a friend of IP
    now for many years. I also would have been equally willing to post
    negative or neutral comments about PGCL had I found the first results to
    be dissappointing or the experience dangerous. This is a subjective post
    and you must recognize, as I do, that this is pretty much uncharted
    territory and no physician in his right mind would approve of these
    methods for determining PGCL's effect or safety in bodybuiding MEN. The
    literature on prostoglandins in bodybuilding is very limited. I was
    greatly helped by articles on ********** and ****morphosis. You will note
    in the literature reviews, that many times the dosing information is
    choppy and you are not sure exactly which prostoglandin the author may be
    referring to or which prostoglandin PGCL really is ( stronger or weaker ).
    There is a ton of vetinary information out there on the drug that is used
    to bring on heat and to induce labor in elephants, cattle, and pigs. But
    it is hard to find information on fat metabolism, muscle growth, and
    dosages in males.

    IP's PGCL: It's ( PG-CL ) and each powder amp is 500 mcg or 1/2 mg.

    THE PRICE: Pretty pricey although when one actually considers the
    dramatic physique altering effects that occur with the drug and mild to
    moderate workouts, it may be very cost effective. Certainly, when placed
    side by side to HGH, PGCL appears to eliminate fat, at a rate many times
    that of HGH. One of the most limiting factors of PGCL use appears to be as
    spoken about elsewhere; the fact is that users get burned out with being a
    pin cushion and to a lesser degree with the diarrhea that is induced by
    the drug. Now china man tells me it can be taken at far lower frequencies ( 1
    amp every two weeks ) and still be effective. This would truly make the
    drug dirt cheap. In fact, china man is very concerned about the risks of dosing
    schedules as high as mine, although I am very comfortable with the startup
    schedule and dosages I used for the reasons given in this report. However,
    if it can be shown to be equally effective when taken at lower dosages or
    frequencies, then obviously that is preferred. AGAIN: This is pretty
    UNCHARTED TERRITORY and use this drug at YOUR OWN RISK and ONLY
    if you are a MAN! I would personally not use it if I was attempting to start
    a family now or in the near future. It is one thing to take the risk on for
    yourself, but I cannot see how you can in good conscience risk the health
    of your baby to-be.

    THE DOSAGE: I found that 1/4cc PGCL is a nice volume to shoot into a muscle
    with an insulin syringe 29guage X 1/2 needle. You could use more or less
    volume, but becuase there may be a small bite to the injection, it is
    rather shallow injection, and there are more small nerves at shot
    locations then you are use to with gear sticks, 1/4cc feels about right.
    You clearly get the effects of the drug in what, appeared to me, to be
    like-manner as when I used 3/4cc of PGCL. Besides, 1/4cc makes it easy to
    split up in dosages that are suggested for a 220lb male ( approximately
    37mcg ). Now I usually get bacteriostatic water from the lab supply store
    to mix stuff with but I was lazy and I picked up Sterile Normal Saline Eye
    Wash from the pharmacy section of the grocery store. china man has you buying
    distilled water and microwaving it, which is cheap and can be easily done.
    I just don't like gallon jugs as they quickly become breeding grounds for
    bugs. So I used sterile normal saline and you can use sterile water.
    Doesn't appear to matter although I am not an expert if you hadn't
    noticed, LOL. You have many ways to get 12 insulin syringes filled at 1/4
    cc from 1 amp of powdered PGCL to give you a shot with approximately
    40mcg of drug in it. I personally use a clean one ounce drink shot glass that
    has been submerged in ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL 91% for 5 minutes and then air
    dried. With a sterile 3cc syringe, draw up just over 3cc of saline or water.
    Break the top off the amp ( happy to report these Chinese glass amp tops break
    easily as they are supposed to ) and put 2 cc in the amp and allow powder
    to mix into solution. Then withdrawl everything out of amp with syringe and
    you should be left with a syringe that has just over 3 cc's PGCL solution in it.
    Shoot the 3cc's PGCL solution into the shot glass and draw up 12 insulin syringes
    with 1/4cc ( or ml) PGCL each. You now have 12 shots available from one 500mcg
    amp each. Each shot will have approximately 40 mcg's of PGCL which is the
    recommended dose ( as far as I can find ) of PGCL for a 220lb MALE.

    STORAGE: I kept the amps and the readied syringes in a refrigerator.
    However, in reviewing the vetinary literature, I found that the drug in
    solution may be kept in a dark place at room temperature. Obviously,
    keeping the drug refrigerated for elephants in Africa would be a
    challenge.

    SHOOTING PGCL: Well it takes a little getting used to as it did the first
    time you nailed yourself with a 1 1/2 inch 22 or 23 guage needle. It does
    have a small bite at first and it varies depending on the muscle region
    you are hitting as there are differences in where pain receptors are
    between shot locations. But the worst pain that ( which isn't very bad ) is
    the pain that you already know when you lay the needle close enough to a
    nerve that the solution volume excerts pressure and you feel alittle pain
    with inject. Thats why 1/4cc is a good shot volume as it isn't putting a
    whole lot of volume pressure out at the point of inject. About every 10th
    injection I did get a small ( dime-size ) bruise from needle/shot trauma.
    This was ususually associated with jerking the syringe around or
    repositioning the needle in the muscle using my left non-dominat hand.
    You will find the bicep an easier muscle to hit the the tricep, DUH!. I
    never aspirate back, but everyone will tell you you should.

    THE DOSING SCHEDULE: I am just going to tell you what I did. I based my
    inject sites, frequency, and dosage on what little literature was
    available. BEAWARE::: It appears that I may be using well over twice the
    necessary amount of drug needed. I shot ( two 40 mcg. injects ) 2 - 3
    times a day ( 4 - 6 total shots ) depending on whether I was working that
    day or not. On days that you are working you may have to scale back the
    shots, or not do them at all, as the need to use the bathroom in quick
    order is there everytime you inject. ON WORK DAY: I would do 1 shot at
    work at a time when I knew that 20 minutes to 1 -1/2 hours after I
    injected I could spend 1 - 3 ( 5 - 10 minutes breaks ) on the shitter
    stinking the place up. I would then shoot some time after dinner being a
    lttle sensitive to others in the house as far as smell and splatter ( if
    you know what I mean!! ). ON NON WORK DAYS: I would do 2 shots,
    3 times a day at times that made sense as far as ingestion of food and availability
    of toilet. Now it is clearly a very fast acting drug and there is some
    literature from bodybuilders suggesting shooting 5 times a day as the
    anabolic effect may be as short as only 2 hours. May be my 6 shots on NON
    WORK days should be spread out and limited to 5 shots total. But I am
    afraid the logistics, as far as toilet use, and other tolerance issues,
    make me comfortable with my shot schedule ( again that is ( 2 ) 40mcg
    shots, 3 times a day where they make sense )

    THE SHOT PAIN/SORENESS: You will read about having 64 possible shot
    locations and the need to rotate the shots between muscles, locations and
    workout days. I am going to tell you my experience is different. I am 6
    days into it and shooting only my biceps and triceps. I did shoot my
    chest once, my quads once and my calves once and the bowels moved about
    the same degree with each location. It maybe becuase I am actually
    hitting my system with 80 mcg with each inject session so proxcimity to
    the guty may be a mute point as the shits going to roll ( or slip out of
    you!! ) anyhow. I experience muscle soreness for about as long as the drug
    remains active which I would guesstimate at 1-3 hours. I have experienced
    nothing debilitating as far as muscle pain and I can inject the muscle
    over and over again. I can work the muscle moderately hard, get a great
    pump, without any consideration of whether I shot the muscle that day or
    not. Now your experience may be different as I know from experience with
    shooting IP's oils forever it seems that while I rarely ever had
    sensitivity some guys would get tremendous adverse reactions at the
    injection site. DO YOU UNDERSTAND: That I shoot two shots into the
    identical areas of the bilateral muscle with every shot episode. So during
    the 1 -3 sessions a day, I shoot one bicep or tri area and then try to
    shoot immediately the same area on the other arm. Thats how I get 80mcg's
    of drug with every inject session.

    WHAT ELSE AM I ON: I am on HRT and don't cycle anymore as I can't
    grow on cycles that include up to 2 grams of test a week. I am over 50 and my
    test levels are managed by a physician who uses lozenges to keep me at a
    level of someone about 30. You will never grow on HRT, but if you time it
    right sometime after 40 when your muscle mass starts to dwindle, get on it
    and you may blunt the muscle loss. How long??? we will find out!!! I
    also take armidex and procepia, but that is really it. Oh I am doing PWO
    slin and Maxy Waize just to augment the muscle fullness if I can. Only on
    workout days. I do 75mg -100 mg of ephedrine HCL preworkout and I have
    noticed a blunted effect of ephedrine since being on PGCL. I would say 30%
    less of a boost.

    THE SHOT LOCATIONS: Like I said above, I am not rotating muscles beyond
    the two I have chosen to experiment on. My Biceps and my Triceps. I am
    only doing the lateral head of the triceps for reasons that will become obvious
    to you when you go to hitting the tricep muscle by yourself.

    ************************************************** *******
    THE SIDE EFFECTS:

    Your experience may be different and my experiment may be dangerous for
    some MALES. In fact, china man is very concerned about the risks of dosing
    schedules as high as mine although I am very comfortable with the schedule
    and dosages I used for the reasons given in this report. However, if it
    can be shown to be equally effective when taken at lower dosages or
    frequencies then obviously this is preferred. AGAIN: This is pretty
    UNCHARTED TERRITORY and use this drug at YOUR OWN RISK and ONLY
    if you are a MAN! I would personally not use it if I was attempting to start
    a family now or in the near future. It is one thing to take the risk on for
    yourself, but I cannot see hopw you can in good conscience risk the health
    of your baby to-be.

    THE SCARIEST EFFECT: Was on the first or second day of use when doing
    shrugs, on about the 4th set the area around my adam's apple started to
    tighten up. Now the first thought is that the airway could close down as
    with anaphalactic shock. I stopped the exercise and the sensation quickly
    subsided. That was the only time I experienced that feeling. PGCL is a
    smooth muscle constrictor and today I think I may have just triggered some
    smooth muscle in my neck or possibly the lower windpipe to contract.
    Understanding it doesn't make it any safer, if your airway should close
    off, you won't be worrying about muscle size anymore.

    NAUSEA: Truthfully, it was only the first day that I almost felt ( when
    the drug was peaking in my system, around 1 hour or so ) like vomiting.
    I didn't, it never got to the point of heaves. That 1st and 2nd day was
    one of fatique and a feeling of sickness mostly when the drug was peaking.

    THE SHITTER: This is probably the biggest nuisance, but may also be one
    of the most beneficial aspects of the drug. You will need a bathroom for
    diarrhea 1 - 3 times within the 1st 20 min to 1 1/2 hours after injecting
    the dosages I used. The drug causes spontaneous abortions in females
    through smooth muscle contractions. In men this drug causes you to
    spontaneously abort much of what you have in your GI track, as well as,
    your bladder through the same mechanism. It doesn't seem to get better,
    it happens everytime, and there were a couple times that I would have shit
    my pants ( at work ) if I did not have a toilet readily available. The good
    news is ( despite a puckered asshole, LOL ) you develop a tolerance and it
    becomes a fairly easy thing to manage, but how many times can you admit
    to your family in a week period, you have the runs? Seems a little weird!!

    BODYTEMP: You read about sweating and increase in body temperature when
    people are describing the effects when drug is peaking in your system. In
    my experience I had a consistent drop in body temperature 36.3 - 36.9
    degrees celcius when peaking ( at about 1 hour or when you are compelled
    to the bathroom ). Much of the day my hands and feet where cold and so it
    appears to me that I peripherally shut down due to vasoconstriction of
    blood vessels in my hands and feet. It may be a compensatory reaction to
    the sudden loss of water volume intravascularily through the massive
    shifting of water into the GI tract causing, near-explosive, diarrhea.
    Just speculation as is all of this report.

    SITE PAIN / MUSCLE SORENESS: As noted above: small bite with injection,
    soreness for me while drug levels were high and nothing that prevents me
    from working that muscle or re-hitting the site.

    CRAMPING: Some cramping thats confined to the hands mostly every
    day once or twice that subsides. I attributed this to electrolyte loss from
    diarrhea and diuresis.

    BRUISING: Like I said above, small, dime-size, bruises about every 10th
    inject from muscle trauma I speculate was cuased by me jerking the syringe
    and needle around with my non-dominant hand.

    ************************************************** *******

    THE RESULTS:

    WEIGHT LOSS: In 5 days, I lossed 9 lbs. Much of this was water, but it was
    also significantly fat. Vascularity has been brought out by a reduction of
    the fat sheath on arms and legs. Belt size shortened about 1 inch.

    ARM SIZE: In 5 days, approximately 1 inch, added to my Bicep/tricep
    measurement post workout of the arms. About 18 to 19 inches with the
    muscle staying fuller throughout day. Come on,,, I am over 50, how big did
    you think I would be??? bigger than most!!

    HORNYNESS: Some users of prostoglandins report increase in Libido. I
    would say mine was enhanced slightly, but this maybe more of a placebo
    effect. In younger men this effect maybe more pronounced or it may not
    have any effect on libido.

    PURELY SPECULATION / BABBLING

    What makes this drug so interesting for rapid weight loss is that you are
    emptying the gut periodically throughout the day and depriving the body of
    calories and electrolytes. However unlike caloric restrictive diets
    of say, less that 1000 calories a day, you are able to eat normally ( if
    not overeat ) and not suffer through the psychological pain of strict
    dieting. You may also prevent the re-setting of the metabolism that occurs
    when the body thinks you are depriving it. But I am convinced, that in
    addition to diuresis, the drug is causing food in the small intestine to
    not get fully absorbed, but be evacuated out of the body. Whether there
    is actually increased fat metabolism occuring ( the burning up or
    "killing" ) of fat cells that one reads about from prostoglandins I can't
    tell. I do not see heat occuring which would lead me to believe that my
    metabolism was increased. I do see one of the most pain free and profound
    weight loss through diuresis and decreased nutritional absorbtion that I
    have ever experienced, or heard of. If you are a fighter trying to make
    weight, take 80 mcgs of PGCL, and within 2 hours you maybe as much as 5
    pounds lighter. One gallon of water weighs 8 lbs and I didn't weigh it,
    LOL, but that first shot/shit was about 1 /2 gallon of pretty toxic stuff.
    I would certainly consider gatoraid/pedi-lite drinks throughout day if
    in fact, we agree there is a serious loss of electrolites ocurring. There
    is obvious muscle swelling due to inflamation of the muscle. How can this
    be anabolic?? It is fluid! It must be stretching fascia? But is it
    anymore stretching than if I was on 2 grams of test?? Time will tell. I
    have 5-6 more amps to do in my arms. What are the health consequenses in
    men?? Hell I don't know, but in rats given tons of the drug, it appears
    that any negative effects subsided with discontinuation of the drug.
    Tolerance issues: most people seem to tolerate and learn to manage the
    shitter, but it appears that 2 months is the maximum that people want to
    be a pincushion or to just manage the logistics associated with PGCL. My
    intuition tells me that I will do 8 amps into my Biceps and Tris and then
    take a break and evaluate the longer term effects. I think a 10amp
    package for $$$$ from China and 500mg of test a week will get you a 1-2
    month bridging cycle between steroid use . china man tells me he may bring this
    price down and both he and the remailers will be stocking up on PGCL in
    the next couple weeks.


    IN SUMMARY: I have done DNP and could not tolerate it beyond day two. It
    was probably the most frightening experience along with just the
    discomfort from heat. DNP is nasty stuff and frommy perspective the kind
    of stuff physiologically that if you show up in the ER with serious side
    effects, they aren't going to have a clue other than ice packs as to how
    to treat you. In other words they are as apt to turn the negative effects
    up as much as turn them down. It wouldn't surprise me if death occurs
    occaissionally with DNP use. I have used as much as 700ius of HGH over a
    few months and while I did recognize fat loss, it came at a significant
    price.

    No this is very interesting stuff that I think warrants a try without more
    than base test, and without HGH. It is cool stuff in that you can
    painlessly diet and ( with a little site pain ) manipulate muscle size all
    within a matter of days.

    I do not know if the muscle swelling will occur in people with little or
    no muscle mass. I suspect that like steroids , there won't be much of a
    size increase without mass.

    Well did I seem biased??? I hope not!! I am china mans friend, but money has
    never motivated me to compromise Truth. In fact I paid full price for the
    product which is extremely rare for me. This is all subjective and in the
    end I only hope I have just provided some helpful information that will
    allow you to safely experiment with this very unique drug. For God's
    sake people, do you realize I am reporting all this after only 5 days or
    2-3 amps 1mg - 1.5 mg PGCL. I will give you the full, blow to blow,
    through 5 more amps so that this is not just some great beginning followed
    up without an ending reported.
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    Thats Some Intense Shit...wow...i Dont Think Im Gonna **** With That Anytime Soon.....thanx Bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGMAC250 View Post
    Thats Some Intense Shit...wow...i Dont Think Im Gonna **** With That Anytime Soon.....thanx Bro
    lol...

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    My sides havent been all that bd from it. As long as u invest in sum wet whpies u will be ok and make sure u shit atleast 3x after ur shots before u leave. I have noticed when i break up my shots into more areas my sides arent as noticeable

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