bulk it up time (well soon anyway :) )

**RuhlFreak55** · 07-05-2008, 12:18 PM

bulk it up

trying to lay out my plan for bulking here so i can start collecting the ingredients.......i'm thinking along these lines.

week 1-12 - Test-E 750mg / week

week 1-12 - Equipoise 600mg/week (this is my first time running EQ though so should i perhaps not run it at this dose?)

week 1-5 - Dbol 40-50mg/day

week 3-7 IGF-1 60-100 mcgs/day (protocol with this is 4 weeks on 4 off right?)

week 11-15 IFG-1 60-100 mcgs/day

week 3-7 Insulin 6-10 IU/ day? (i've not run insulin before but know some people that have had very good gains with it. Been reading up on it and i'm not quite sure how to run it yet......i know it's 4 on 4 off though just like with igf? and i also read something about using only 4 days a week?)

week 11-15 insulin 6-10 IU/ day

week 13-17 clomid 100mg/day

week 13-19 tamox 10mg/day

any and all help appreciated......this is my 4th cycle and i'm looking to pack on as much as humanly possible with it as i want to qualify for nationals next year. looking to run it from beginning of oct to the end of the year. That should give me enough time off to solidify my gains from it before cutting and also enough time off before the cutting cycle as well.

**200byjune** · 07-05-2008, 12:28 PM

why dont you have a 19nor in there? i would add deca at 500mgs. eq at that dose is fine. thats what they recomend for the first time running it

**RuhlFreak55** · 07-05-2008, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by 200byjune

why dont you have a 19nor in there? i would add deca at 500mgs. eq at that dose is fine. thats what they recomend for the first time running it

i was thinking about it actually......just don't want to go overboard.....i've not run deca before either.

**MercyDog** · 07-05-2008, 12:40 PM

deca would be a good idea. Start the slin of at 2iu and work your way up till you find your threshold. Also you could consider the possibility of running the slin and igf in between cycles to help keep your gains.

**MercyDog** · 07-05-2008, 12:41 PM

The deca wouldn't be overboard study how it works

**200byjune** · 07-05-2008, 12:45 PM

deca would be great. imo it is the best overall steroid . so maybe put it in there at 400mgs.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-05-2008, 01:03 PM

be carefull with the slin and igf. Both lower your blood sugar

**T_Own** · 07-05-2008, 01:08 PM

lol so deca might be overboard but the insulin isn't? adding deca would make that a pretty solid cycle.

just curious, but nationals for what?

PT · 07-05-2008, 01:10 PM

i would add deca and lower or even drop the eq.

**RuhlFreak55** · 07-05-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

be carefull with the slin and igf. Both lower your blood sugar

would it behoove one to run them alternating then instead of in tandem? 4 weeks of slin....drop slin.....4 weeks of igf??? or i could wait on the insulin if need be i guess.

**RuhlFreak55** · 07-05-2008, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by pietro75;4064***

i would add deca and lower or even drop the eq.

reasoning? i know EQ isn't that powerful to begin with...

**RuhlFreak55** · 07-05-2008, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by T_Own

lol so deca might be overboard but the insulin isn't? adding deca would make that a pretty solid cycle.

just curious, but nationals for what?

bodybuilding........

**T_Own** · 07-05-2008, 01:19 PM

ahh gotcha. gl with it

**gixxerboy1** · 07-05-2008, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

would it behoove one to run them alternating then instead of in tandem? 4 weeks of slin....drop slin.....4 weeks of igf??? or i could wait on the insulin if need be i guess.

honestly someone else might give you a better answer. It would def be safer to alternate. I would def pick up a blood glucose monitor and start the slin off low otherwise

**MercyDog** · 07-05-2008, 01:31 PM

seriously start small with the slin, I guess you know that it can cause diabetes for life and can kill you on the first attempt.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-05-2008, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by MercyDog

seriously start small with the slin, I guess you know that it can cause diabetes for life and can kill you on the first attempt.

THere is no proof it can cause diabetes

PT · 07-05-2008, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

THere is no proof it can cause diabetes

exactly, yhere is not any proof at all its all rumors

**RuhlFreak55** · 07-05-2008, 01:49 PM

yes yes i know it's dangerous and to be used with the utmost caution and respect.

my question is would using them in tandem somehow diminish the recovery that's that basis for only using them for 4 weeks on at a time?

**MercyDog** · 07-05-2008, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

THere is no proof it can cause diabetes

there's no proof why..........

...diabetes is growing in the U.S. as americans keep consuming larger amounts of sugar.
...The girl who was kidnapped and shot over 100 times with slin has diabetes for life now straight out of the coma.
....AS is in any way bad for the liver.
....Smoking causes cancer
....even that theres a God

How would they prove that excessive drops and spikes in glucose could cause diabetes? Rats isn't proof.

I'm only trying to be helpfull here and everyone can believe what they wish but having a Biology degree with a concentration in pre-vet. I myself am 100% sure that it can definately increase your chances of getting diabetes.

At the very least the increase in wieght is linked but that too is not proven. There is no proof that someone 500lbs. is at a higher risk than someone 125lbs.

I urge you all to PLEASE don't think something is safe because it has not been proven that its not. Hope this helps

**RuhlFreak55** · 07-05-2008, 05:55 PM

mother of god igf-1 got expensive

**Bulldog1115** · 07-05-2008, 06:03 PM

honestly brother, i would drop the igf-1 and replace that with gh... and replace that eq for deca or tren e.... eq is good... but not if ur really tryna put on as much weight humanly possible! my advice is either 600mg/w deca or tren e 400mg/w.. and with the slin bro make sure u understand diet and esp carbs!

**RuhlFreak55** · 07-05-2008, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Bulldog1115

honestly brother, i would drop the igf-1 and replace that with gh... and replace that eq for deca or tren e.... eq is good... but not if ur really tryna put on as much weight humanly possible! my advice is either 600mg/w deca or tren e 400mg/w.. and with the slin bro make sure u understand diet and esp carbs!

well what do we have to run GH at for muscle building? i didn't realize that IGF-1 was gonna cost this much so i guess if i can find some GH it might be worth it.

**Bulldog1115** · 07-05-2008, 06:36 PM

def for a BB, gh is much better, alot better advantages.... ull get ur strength and all that from the test and dbols, igf-1 for strength in this cycle wood be unneccasary, and when it comes down to it u cood be the strongest mothafuccka on earth, but if ur on stage and u dont have the BB look , then its worthless, thats y we have powerlifters and BB!