Researching next cycle (short)....opinions

**sam_sneed** · 07-19-2008, 11:50 AM

Ok bro's, been posting here for a little while getting my diet knowledge up in particular after realising I was doing many things wrong. Now Im starting to think of my next cycle.

Stats :
173 lbs (I'm 5'6)
13% BF (Last time i measured about 10 days ago, im slightly lower now)

I've been reading about short cycles ( Im thinking 5 weeks ) especially the type advocated by marcus300 and i think this would be the right direction for me. With this method I hope i can have shorter 'off' time less side effects in general, less impact on my lipid profile and a better chance of keeping my gains.

Options (I'm aware of )
Test Prop / Tren
Test Prop / D-bol
Test Prop / Anavar

Any opinions on different substances ? Dosages for making this method successful ?

**inky-e** · 07-19-2008, 12:10 PM

Didn't get your age.

**sam_sneed** · 07-19-2008, 12:11 PM

I'm 20.

**inky-e** · 07-19-2008, 12:16 PM

And you've done how many cycles?

**sam_sneed** · 07-19-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by inky-e

And you've done how many cycles?

Four. And i fully expect to be flamed because i deserve it. However, it's done now nothing i can do about it apart from learn an effective way to gain LBM whilst minimizing sides.

**inky-e** · 07-19-2008, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by sam_sneed

Four. And i fully expect to be flamed because i deserve it. However, it's done now nothing i can do about it apart from learn an effective way to gain LBM whilst minimizing sides.

I WILL say you are rather young to have cycled so much, but you ARE an adult so I'm not gonna flame ya. I am not an expert on short cycles so I'll bump for those that are....Good luck though...let us know how it goes with the cycle...............Inky

**sam_sneed** · 07-19-2008, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by inky-e

I WILL say you are rather young to have cycled so much, but you ARE an adult so I'm not gonna flame ya. I am not an expert on short cycles so I'll bump for those that are....Good luck though...let us know how it goes with the cycle...............Inky

Thanks bro, that's why i joined the site so I don't continue to make those same miskates. I have quite bad stretch marks on my arms so i have paid a price for my idiocy.

**T_Own** · 07-19-2008, 12:46 PM

tren a? otherwise it would take more than 5 weeks to get anything out of it

**sam_sneed** · 07-19-2008, 12:55 PM

Short heavy cyles explained- PB theory

Here's where I copied the idea of using Tren from. See post 18

**sam_sneed** · 07-19-2008, 02:17 PM

bump!

**sam_sneed** · 07-20-2008, 04:40 AM

Ok i'm not getting much input and i kinda understand why. Here's what I'm considering

75 mg or 100mg (Undecided) Test Prop ED
60-80 mg Anavar ED

I haven't taken anything in 8 months and i'm currently cutting hopefully to 8% and after that i'm planning to prime for 6 weeks following 3 low days then 1 high for my carbs. Will also be following the Anthony Roberts PCT. Looking for about 10-14lbs solid gains.

Any help will be much appreciated.

**one8nine** · 07-20-2008, 10:55 AM

var prop is good
you can even do var/prop/tren a at those dosages for 5 weeks with great gains

anthony roberts is an idiot and clomid and trash
nolva+any ai is best for ptc possibly hcg too

**sam_sneed** · 07-20-2008, 11:52 AM

Thanks a lot bro.

I was thinking just the Prop and Var would be a little 'light' so possibly include 75mg ED of Tren A is it desirable to frontload either the Test or Tren on the first day considering i'll be injecting ED?

PCT - would look something like (Advice needed)
Tamoxifen @ 20mg ED 3 weeks
Arimdex @ .25mg ED 3 weeks

**one8nine** · 07-20-2008, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by sam_sneed

Thanks a lot bro.

I was thinking just the Prop and Var would be a little 'light' so possibly include 75mg ED of Tren A is it desirable to frontload either the Test or Tren on the first day considering i'll be injecting ED?

PCT - would look something like (Advice needed)
Tamoxifen @ 20mg ED 3 weeks
Arimdex @ .25mg ED 3 weeks

i personally wouldnt frontload a short ester
that tren addition looks good

that is a little weak for pct but a good start
i suggest 4 weeks minimum
maybe the tamox 40mg 2 weeks, 20mg the next 2 weeks
arimidex is good at .5mg, but it would be my third choice with my first two being proviron 50mg first and aromasin 50 mg second. for 4 weeks.

**sam_sneed** · 07-20-2008, 12:08 PM

A PCT of 4 weeks just seems long considering i'm only doing a five week cycle. Do you mean Aromasin as your 2nd choice btw in your post as you say Arimidex twice at .5mg?

**one8nine** · 07-20-2008, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by sam_sneed

A PCT of 4 weeks just seems long considering i'm only doing a five week cycle. Do you mean Aromasin as your 2nd choice btw in your post as you say Arimidex twice at .5mg?

sorry i edited it- you are right aromasin

regardless of length, shut down is shut down you may be recovered in 3 weeks but better safe than sorry

maybe make your test and tren 100mg ed each and var~60mg ed if it makes you feel more worth it

**T_Own** · 07-20-2008, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by sam_sneed

Short heavy cyles explained- PB theory

Here's where I copied the idea of using Tren from. See post 18

well he kinda takes the light approach to the short cycle. the idea outlined in the first post involves using test in the ballpark of like 2-4g per week.

**one8nine** · 07-20-2008, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by T_Own

well he kinda takes the light approach to the short cycle. the idea outlined in the first post involves using test in the ballpark of like 2-4g per week.

very good point

**sam_sneed** · 07-20-2008, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

sorry i edited it- you are right aromasin

regardless of length, shut down is shut down you may be recovered in 3 weeks but better safe than sorry

maybe make your test and tren 100mg ed each and var~60mg ed if it makes you feel more worth it

Thanks 4 your help i appreciate it but I would still like a variety of opinions from others. Here's what i'm leaning towards as of now:

>1-5 Test Prop @100mg ED
>1-5 Tren A @ 100mg ED
>1-5 Anavar @ 60 mg ED

>Tamoxifen @ 40mg 2weeks > 20mg 2weeks
> Aromasin @ .5g - 4 weeks

Also to use during PCT - Creatine, tribulus and vitamin c.

**one8nine** · 07-20-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by sam_sneed

Thanks 4 your help i appreciate it but I would still like a variety of opinions from others. Here's what i'm leaning towards as of now:

>1-5 Test Prop @100mg ED
>1-5 Tren A @ 100mg ED
>1-5 Anavar @ 60 mg ED

>Tamoxifen @ 40mg 2weeks > 20mg 2weeks
> Aromasin @ .5g - 4 weeks

Also to use during PCT - Creatine, tribulus and vitamin c.

you did it too ha ha
aromasin 50mg?
or arimidex .5mg?

**sam_sneed** · 07-20-2008, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

you did it too ha ha
aromasin 50mg?
or arimidex .5mg?

Lol ! I meant Aromasin 50mg

**sam_sneed** · 07-20-2008, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by T_Own

well he kinda takes the light approach to the short cycle. the idea outlined in the first post involves using test in the ballpark of like 2-4g per week.

That is simply far too much gear for me, i was referring to a different post by Realgains not Marcus's which is repeatedly stated is for more advanced BB'ers.

**sam_sneed** · 07-20-2008, 03:22 PM

BUMP! ^^^^^^^

Will check back in tomorrow. Just some more opinions please

**sam_sneed** · 07-21-2008, 03:13 AM

Bump!

**T_Own** · 07-21-2008, 11:16 AM

just my thoughts, the short cycle might work since you are using the short esters, but at normal doses it will just be less gains than a normal length cycle. if you don't prep with special dieting or up the doses, it just seems like you'll be cutting them out right around their prime time

**sam_sneed** · 07-21-2008, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by T_Own

just my thoughts, the short cycle might work since you are using the short esters, but at normal doses it will just be less gains than a normal length cycle. if you don't prep with special dieting or up the doses, it just seems like you'll be cutting them out right around their prime time

Thanks for the response didn't want to bump this again lol!

I will be priming myself for 6 weeks prior to this short cycle to put myself in the best state for gains.

What do you think about bumping both compounds to 125mg ED , that should do it?

Come on Bro's someone must have done a short cycle similar to this!

**one8nine** · 07-21-2008, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by sam_sneed

Thanks for the response didn't want to bump this again lol!

I will be priming myself for 6 weeks prior to this short cycle to put myself in the best state for gains.

What do you think about bumping both compounds to 125mg ED , that should do it?

Come on Bro's someone must have done a short cycle similar to this!

i have... thats all i do...

**sam_sneed** · 07-22-2008, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by one8nine

i have... thats all i do...

Let's wrap this thread up then. You think im good to go?

>125mg Prop ED
>125 Tren ED
>60 mg Var ED

PCT - Nolva 40mg -2weeks then 20mg another 2 weeks + Aromasin 50mg 4 weeks.

one8nine thanks for the help

PT · 07-22-2008, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by sam_sneed

Let's wrap this thread up then. You think im good to go?

>125mg Prop ED
>125 Tren ED
>60 mg Var ED

PCT - Nolva 40mg -2weeks then 20mg another 2 weeks + Aromasin 50mg 4 weeks.

one8nine thanks for the help

5-6 weeks of fast acting esters work very well for alot of people. your running it for a shorter time though so make sure you hit it hard at the gym. good luck and let us know how it goes bro

**sam_sneed** · 07-22-2008, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by PT

5-6 weeks of fast acting esters work very well for alot of people. your running it for a shorter time though so make sure you hit it hard at the gym. good luck and let us know how it goes bro

I will stretch it to 6 then. Ran a six weeker before just Prop with a d-bol kicker was probably my best cycle.