Sustanon, or test e with d-bol, whats better

[muhammad1185]

HI GUYS,

just want to know what you guys thinks, what would be more effective from the two below, effective meaning

-better gains, strenght and mass
-lasting gains, not just bloat
-less sides

at the min ive just started my cycle of d-bol with test e, ive had one test e injection 250mgs, i was thinking whether i should change this to sust 250, if so would the below be ok

sust- 1-10 500 mgs a week,
d bol weeks 1-4- 30 mgs a day

stats- 23, 63 kgs, good diet, training 2 yrs plus,

thanks

and what should i take with cycle, ive read so much, would 10mgs a day of nolva and some a-mex be enough.

[one8nine]

test e will give you much less sides
with a proper ai and pct/diet/workout the bloat will be minimal to none, gains should keep 75%-85% either way

keep your test e its way better

never take nolva on cycle. a-mex? a-dex you mean? arimidex is perfect for test/dbol

whats for pct?

[muhammad1185]

thanks for the reply, yes i thought the same, all the reading says test e has less sides,

sorry i meant arimedex at 0.25 aday is that right, ive got it written down, my pct is phendos from the sites pct section, do you think thats good enough?

im also just taking a low dose test e, 250 mgs a week, i know its better at 500 and two shots a week, but im not even in my second week yet and ive read 250 a week for first time users can acheive good gains, what do u think?

[muhammad1185]

and how much a-dex a day, and from when? do i need anything else to keep gyno, and estrogens and sides to min, at present i take-

- dandilion
-vitimin c
-liv 52 tabs
-milk thistle tabs
-and muliti vits, zma

[one8nine]

naturally your produce in the 70mg-120mg range per week
test e is 70% hormone actual, and 30% ester
you are getting 175mg of actual testosterone per week... waste... not doing anything but replacing your own test at nearly the same levels

as for the pct, no i dont like it
clomid is trash and has no place in the body building world as long as we have nolva
nolva for pct is GREAT
arimidex and nolvadex reduce eachother, bad combo
i recomend 4 weeks of nolvadex 40mg+proviron 50mg. proviron can also be replaced by aromasin .

[one8nine]

and how much a-dex a day, and from when? do i need anything else to keep gyno, and estrogens and sides to min, at present i take-

- dandilion
-vitimin c
-liv 52 tabs
-milk thistle tabs
-and muliti vits, zma

adex is .25mg to .5 mg depending on your sensitivity to estro/bf%
please go to 500mg wk test bro

that stuff is excessive but if it makes you feel good go for it. a good multi vitamin is all i take.

[muhammad1185]

ok cool, thanks alot im going to do for 500 a week, i think im goin to drop the dbol , because of the things ive read up on it, what could i take with the test e, i just want to get strong as f***, have very little water retentio, and put on some mass, muscle mass without bloat. any good ideas, i agree your pct sounds great, ive read the reducing thing before, ill get some adex, thanks bro

[one8nine]

ok cool, thanks alot im going to do for 500 a week, i think im goin to drop the dbol, because of the things ive read up on it, what could i take with the test e, i just want to get strong as f***, have very little water retentio, and put on some mass, muscle mass without bloat. any good ideas, i agree your pct sounds great, ive read the reducing thing before, ill get some adex, thanks bro

with an ai youll be fine. test dbol is a great combo. in your position i would keep the dbol.
with a proper ai dosage you wont bloat at all

but based on what you just said, do some research on halotestin /halotestex. nothing will make you stronger (drug speaking) and youll hardly gain weight at all- but what few pounds you hain will be pure muscle. but save it for next cycle your dbol is a good match for this cycle

[muhammad1185]

ok ill stick with what you said, what ai should i use, what and how much? ill prob start that after 2mrw as that will be a week into my cycle, is that ok, sholud i leave the halo till next cycle or should i start that with the test and drop the d-bol, sorry im just confused,

and im going for a ten week cycle, when i drop the dbol at 6 weeks ill have 4 weeks on test alone, when would i start my pct, the stickys suggest 4 hours after last administration of d-bol, but im thinking after week ten when ive finished my test e, am i wrong?

thanks once again, its really good to now there are helpfull people like yourself around.