Anadrol/Enenthate/Tbol

[BMR]

I have a question.

I am currently on week 3 of a my cycle:
Anadrol 1-3 @ 100mg/day
Test 250 1-10 @ 500mg/week
Tbol 7-12 @ 50mg/day

I've gained 12 lbs and a lot of strength so I am pleased so far, even though I can tell the anadrol has added some bloat.

1) My question is after I am done with the anadrol and just on enenthate am I going to loose all of the weight and strength or should the test hold onto some of it for me? 2) How much do you think, I know it's hard to say but ballpark it if you can.

3) And when I start the tbol will I put weight on or cut up more? I know it depends 80% on my diet but if I keep my diet the same throughout (4000 cals a day, 300grms protein) what do you think?

Thanks for the help bros

27 y/o
200lbs
5'10"

[BMR]

Bump

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

1. yes, once you give up the abombs you will lose a good chunk of weight and some strength as well
2. of the 12 lbs, my guess 4lbs will easily go with the water and strength would probably go down 10-15% depending on how much strength gains u made
3. Tbol with help you gain back some of your strength and help solidify your gains somewhat..although you should also use test prop in wks 11-12 to minimize lag time to PCT, which I would like to know what u intend to do

your diet cals may have to be reduced (play with the carbs) or you may have to do some cardio if you want to lean out by the end of the cycle from the fat gains the abombs may have given u

All in all though, this is not a good cyle IMHO...I'm just helping cuz you're already well into it

[BMR]

I've actually been told this is a good cycle by a couple amateur bodybuilders so I went with it, I'm happy with it so far.

I'm running clomid and Nolva starting 2 weeks after last inject of enenthate for my pct.

I'm curious to know why you think its such a bad cycle. Are you not a fan of abombs?

[Ashop]

I have a question.

I am currently on week 3 of a my cycle:
Anadrol 1-3 @ 100mg/day
Test 250 1-10 @ 500mg/week
Tbol 7-12 @ 50mg/day

I've gained 12 lbs and a lot of strength so I am pleased so far, even though I can tell the anadrol has added some bloat.

1) My question is after I am done with the anadrol and just on enenthate am I going to loose all of the weight and strength or should the test hold onto some of it for me? 2) How much do you think, I know it's hard to say but ballpark it if you can.

3) And when I start the tbol will I put weight on or cut up more? I know it depends 80% on my diet but if I keep my diet the same throughout (4000 cals a day, 300grms protein) what do you think?

Thanks for the help bros

27 y/o
200lbs
5'10"

Everything is purely individual. since you will still be on cycle after the ANADROL course gains should continue and easily be maintained

[one8nine]

1) My question is after I am done with the anadrol and just on enenthate am I going to loose all of the weight and strength or should the test hold onto some of it for me?

lose* not loose.
if your diet/workout suck yeah but you should only lose water weight, and continue to build muscle and become more lean

2) How much do you think, I know it's hard to say but ballpark it if you can.

say 1/2 of what you gained in weight, depending on your bf%. only water weight though dont stress

3) And when I start the tbol will I put weight on or cut up more? I know it depends 80% on my diet but if I keep my diet the same throughout (4000 cals a day, 300grms protein) what do you think?

cut fat build muscle

bold answers!

[one8nine]

1. yes, once you give up the abombs you will lose a good chunk of weight and some strength as well
2. of the 12 lbs, my guess 4lbs will easily go with the water and strength would probably go down 10-15% depending on how much strength gains u made
3. Tbol with help you gain back some of your strength and help solidify your gains somewhat..although you should also use test prop in wks 11-12 to minimize lag time to PCT, which I would like to know what u intend to do

your diet cals may have to be reduced (play with the carbs) or you may have to do some cardio if you want to lean out by the end of the cycle from the fat gains the abombs may have given u

All in all though, this is not a good cycle IMHO...I'm just helping cuz you're already well into it

i have to respectfully disagree
you should not lose any strength at all if you diet/workout right
and for a 200lb man, suggesting to go under 4000kcals on cycle is insane

i also disagree with the necessity of prop, the tbol is extended to week 12, which is genius if you ask me, that will cover lag

[one8nine]

I've actually been told this is a good cycle by a couple amateur bodybuilders so I went with it, I'm happy with it so far.

I'm running clomid and Nolva starting 2 weeks after last inject of enenthate for my pct.

I'm curious to know why you think its such a bad cycle. Are you not a fan of abombs?

clomid SUCKS
replace it with proviron 50mg throughout pct

[daem]

i also disagree with the necessity of prop, the tbol is extended to week 12, which is genius if you ask me, that will cover lag

First of all, if you've ever taken anadrol at 100 or 150mg/ED, you'd know how severe the crash is regardless of whether you are running other gear.

He kick-started with it, and is running a fairly low dosage of test with that dosage of anadrol. I've only ran anadrol at 100mg/ED when I was running 750 or 1g/wk of test...Trust me, even at those test dosages, you can STILL feel the difference the day after you cease administering it. It's not some smooth transition that is simple to make.

The rest of his cycle could be a disappointment.

Personally I think the toughest part of the cycle will be his week 3-5 as the testosterone may not have kicked in yet to compensate.

Nothing in this cycle is "genius".

[one8nine]

First of all, if you've ever taken anadrol at 100 or 150mg/ED, you'd know how severe the crash is regardless of whether you are running other gear.

He kick-started with it, and is running a fairly low dosage of test with that dosage of anadrol. I've only ran anadrol at 100mg/ED when I was running 750 or 1g/wk of test...Trust me, even at those test dosages, you can STILL feel the difference the day after you cease administering it. It's not some smooth transition that is simple to make.

The rest of his cycle could be a disappointment.

Personally I think the toughest part of the cycle will be his week 3-5 as the testosterone may not have kicked in yet to compensate.

Nothing in this cycle is "genius".

i have run drol 100mg ed for 4 weeks (one cycle) but i know how to lift and eat i had no problem

it has a kickstart before test e kicks in, and he covered the 2 weeks before pct with an oral, i like it
and you said weeks 3-4 will be a problem
hes running drol 1-3
so you means weeks 4-5?

so you are saying one needs to run over 1g of test to justify the usage of anadrol at 100mg?

[BMR]

Forgot to mention that I am also frontloading the test as well. I ran it at 750mgs for weeks 1-3 because I was afraid of exactly what DAEM said: the lag time until the test kicks in.

I figured if I front loaded the test that it would kick in by the time I got off of the abombs.

Not sure if this will work because I've never frontloaded enenthate before.

[one8nine]

Forgot to mention that I am also frontloading the test as well. I ran it at 750mgs for weeks 1-3 because I was afraid of exactly what DAEM said: the lag time until the test kicks in.

I figured if I front loaded the test that it would kick in by the time I got off of the abombs.

Not sure if this will work because I've never frontloaded enenthate before.

good job
what week are you on?

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

i have to respectfully disagree
you should not lose any strength at all if you diet/workout right
and for a 200lb man, suggesting to go under 4000kcals on cycle is insane

i also disagree with the necessity of prop, the tbol is extended to week 12, which is genius if you ask me, that will cover lag

Hey bro, not meaning to incite any debate, but i was speaking from my experiences with anadrol ...also on the diet side, it's hard to really know whether he's over/under eating without knowing his BF%, plus 300g protein is 1200 cals, meaning 2800 is just gone on carbs/fats, which leaves alot of room to play with IMHO..anyways, he'd have to post his diet and what not to really see..in anycase, this is a very grey area and people are bound to have different opinions/experiences; I love this kind of creative tension, let's folks know just how complex gear usage can be!

Cheers

[BMR]

I'm finishing week 3 this week.

I'm doing 1ml of test 250 every mwf and then next week i'm doing 1ml every monday thursday.

[one8nine]

Hey bro, not meaning to incite any debate, but i was speaking from my experiences with anadrol ...also on the diet side, it's hard to really know whether he's over/under eating without knowing his BF%, plus 300g protein is 1200 cals, meaning 2800 is just gone on carbs/fats, which leaves alot of room to play with IMHO..anyways, he'd have to post his diet and what not to really see..in anycase, this is a very grey area and people are bound to have different opinions/experiences; I love this kind of creative tension, let's folks know just how complex gear usage can be!

Cheers

debate is healthy! no disrespect meant we just have different opinions/experiences! and its good for people to see both sides.
you are right about we dont even know the diet, but i just cant imagine a good one for a cycle thats under 4000kcal. i personally cycle at 6000kcals+ at 215 7% finishing my last cycle.

[T_Own]

fyi, thats not really how you frontload

[one8nine]

fyi, thats not really how you frontload

not typically but it works
i like that better than a double dose the first shot or two

[T_Own]

even over 3 weeks?

[one8nine]

even over 3 weeks?

i would probably personally do
week 1 1000mg
week 2 750mg
week 3+ 500mg

but yeah i dont think thats a problem test e is slow like old man grandpa running marathon anyway

[BMR]

I'll post my results in 3 weeks to see where I am at physically before I start the tbol, then I'll post after the complete cycle is done.

Thanks for the info guys.

[daem]

i have run drol 100mg ed for 4 weeks (one cycle) but i know how to lift and eat i had no problem

it has a kickstart before test e kicks in, and he covered the 2 weeks before pct with an oral, i like it
and you said weeks 3-4 will be a problem
hes running drol 1-3
so you means weeks 4-5?

so you are saying one needs to run over 1g of test to justify the usage of anadrol at 100mg?

Hey bro, I wasn't knocking your experiences at all or insinuating you don't know how to lift/eat properly. Quite the contrary...Just trying to give the OP and others something to think about.

I said weeks 3-5 will be tough in my original post. Even though he said he frontloaded, there's a chance that it may not be fully concentrated yet. Even though he finishes up the anadrol at the end of week 3, this is where his hormones are most out of whack before stabilizing with the test. Yanking the anadrol before test levels stabilize could actually confuse his body. This is why I've never heard of frontloading for less than 4 weeks for strong orals like dianabol or anadrol or done it differently...Personally I use prop or suspension for each kickstart.

If you see my original post, I stated that running LESS than 750mg/EW isn't ideal in my own opinion. 500mg of test with 100mg of anadrol/wk is setting up a body to plateau in strength for at least 1-2 weeks until blood levels are consistent via the test. Mentally, that's a tough place to be.

Like you said, everyone is different. Therefore it's difficult for anyone to generalize but 100mg sounds pretty high to me in a tamer cycle like 500mg of testosterone enanthate . The benefit is overshadowed by the blood pressure sides of that kind of anadrol dosage and isn't something most inexperienced users can get away with cleanly.

[Dog-Slime]

Gotta go with my man 189 on this one. Looks like a pretty well thought out cycle and as long as diet and training are in check you should see some really nice results. Did you mention what your pct was gonna be? If you did I somehow missed it and dont feel like going back through the thread (feeling really spacy today for some reason)

[one8nine]

Hey bro, I wasn't knocking your experiences at all or insinuating you don't know how to lift/eat properly. Quite the contrary...Just trying to give the OP and others something to think about.

I said weeks 3-5 will be tough in my original post. Even though he said he frontloaded, there's a chance that it may not be fully concentrated yet. Even though he finishes up the anadrol at the end of week 3, this is where his hormones are most out of whack before stabilizing with the test. Yanking the anadrol before test levels stabilize could actually confuse his body. This is why I've never heard of frontloading for less than 4 weeks for strong orals like dianabol or anadrol or done it differently...Personally I use prop or suspension for each kickstart.

If you see my original post, I stated that running LESS than 750mg/EW isn't ideal in my own opinion. 500mg of test with 100mg of anadrol/wk is setting up a body to plateau in strength for at least 1-2 weeks until blood levels are consistent via the test. Mentally, that's a tough place to be.

Like you said, everyone is different. Therefore it's difficult for anyone to generalize but 100mg sounds pretty high to me in a tamer cycle like 500mg of testosterone enanthate. The benefit is overshadowed by the blood pressure sides of that kind of anadrol dosage and isn't something most inexperienced users can get away with cleanly.

no insult taken at all
i guess i wasdnt clear, i strength train. i power lift/wrestle/fight mma so im sure my strength difference was greatly influenced by my training

i just cant picture there being a plateau with 9 weeks left of test, and tbol too. thats sort of like saying he might as well go into pct now?

[one8nine]

Gotta go with my man 189 on this one. Looks like a pretty well thought out cycle and as long as diet and training are in check you should see some really nice results. Did you mention what your pct was gonna be? If you did I somehow missed it and dont feel like going back through the thread (feeling really spacy today for some reason)

he said nolva/clomid
i said nolva /proviron

[daem]

no insult taken at all
i guess i wasdnt clear, i strength train. i power lift/wrestle/fight mma so im sure my strength difference was greatly influenced by my training

i just cant picture there being a plateau with 9 weeks left of test, and tbol too. thats sort of like saying he might as well go into pct now?

No no, not 9 weeks to plateau...1-2 weeks during weeks 3-5 until the testosterone is helping him fire on all cylinders.

I meant the cycle being a disappointment in that he took the most powerful drug first, is running a low dose of test for a *short* 10 weeks, and then is running a compound that could limit the effectiveness of his PCT protocol. Disappointment stemming from adequate recovery and the ability to hold his gains.

I don't think he'll have ANY difficulty making gains in subsequent weeks, but holding them with the way it's outlined is the tricky part. The decision to gap the last testosterone injection from PCT with turinabol isn't priming his body to be fully ready for PCT if he is completely shutdown. He's running such a light dose of test that he may not even get shut down completely, and that would be a plus.

I've never felt turinabol was worth it given how much you need to take, even though it's cheap...Then again, I'm pretty much against all orals these days because of the side effects I get from them.

It's great having different perspectives to help shape thinking for everyone

[one8nine]

No no, not 9 weeks to plateau...1-2 weeks during weeks 3-5 until the testosterone is helping him fire on all cylinders.

I meant the cycle being a disappointment in that he took the most powerful drug first, is running a low dose of test for a *short* 10 weeks, and then is running a compound that could limit the effectiveness of his PCT protocol. Disappointment stemming from adequate recovery and the ability to hold his gains.

I don't think he'll have ANY difficulty making gains in subsequent weeks, but holding them with the way it's outlined is the tricky part. The decision to gap the last testosterone injection from PCT with turinabol isn't priming his body to be fully ready for PCT if he is completely shutdown. He's running such a light dose of test that he may not even get shut down completely, and that would be a plus.

I've never felt turinabol was worth it given how much you need to take, even though it's cheap...Then again, I'm pretty much against all orals these days because of the side effects I get from them.

It's great having different perspectives to help shape thinking for everyone

sorry i wasnt clear.
i meant i cant see week 3 hitting a plateau, because i think he can continue to gain with 9 more weeks of test/tbol.

limit effectiveness of pct? tbol? how?
the addition of tbol would add enough gains to be woth the additional suppression

ill second your opinion on orals, with the exception of closing the 2 weeks between test shot and pct