Next Cycle, looking for critique...

**xXDevilDogXx** · 08-04-2008, 03:45 PM

Hey gents, I've been doing research on different kickstarts and wanna try a little kickstart this time. Debated using DBol or Prop. Decided to go with Prop.

Thinking of:
wk 1-10 Test E at 500 mg split between 2 shots
wk 1-4 Test P at 100 mg eod spread out to kickstart cycle
wk 1-10 Proviron at 50 mg ed
wk 1-10 nolvadex at 10mg a day to battle any sides

PCT(starting 2 weeks after last injection)
day 1-30
.25mg of l-dex a day
100mg Clomid a day
20mg nolva a day

**one8nine** · 08-04-2008, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by xXDevilDogXx

Thinking of:
wk 1-10 Test E at 500 mg split between 2 shots
wk 1-4 Test P at 100 mg eod spread out to kickstart cycle
wk 1-10 Proviron at 50 mg ed
wk 1-10 nolvadex at 10mg a day to battle any sides

on test p- dose it every day for better side effect control
proviron- think about maybe using something else for 10 weeks... remember it IS an oral...
Nolvadex will greatly decrease your gains! do not use it on cycle! if you want to know why i can go into more detail...

Originally Posted by xXDevilDogXx

PCT(starting 2 weeks after last injection)
day 1-30
.25mg of l-dex a day
100mg Clomid a day
20mg nolva a day

nolva greatly decreases the effectiveness of Arimidex . you need to up the dosage to ~1g a day, or switch it out for Aromasin or proviron
normally i say clomid sucks all together but swifto showed me a study that it can be effective. but you don't need anymore than 25mg-50mg a day, anything more is just asking side effects without an increase in result.

**xXDevilDogXx** · 08-04-2008, 04:46 PM

Cool, thanx. I'll get ahold of some a-sin.

The nolva will only be used if sides come up.

I included the proviron for its SHBG binding properties after reading a lot about it. It also isn't 17 methylated like DBol . So it's not quite as harsh on the liver.

**one8nine** · 08-04-2008, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by xXDevilDogXx

Cool, thanx. I'll get ahold of some a-sin.

The nolva will only be used if sides come up.

I included the proviron for its SHBG binding properties after reading a lot about it. It also isn't 17 methylated like DBol. So it's not quite as harsh on the liver.

use letro/arimidex or aromasin if sides come up
nolva is TOO anti catabolic. muscle growth is caused by tearing then rebuilding- nolva prevents tearing much more than you want on a cycle, inhibiting growth.

right, its not AS BAD as dbol that doesnt make it a good 10 week choice.
why not 4-10? your test is going to take a while to kick in anyway...

**xXDevilDogXx** · 08-05-2008, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by one8nine

use letro/arimidex or aromasin if sides come up
nolva is TOO anti catabolic. muscle growth is caused by tearing then rebuilding- nolva prevents tearing much more than you want on a cycle, inhibiting growth.

right, its not AS BAD as dbol that doesnt make it a good 10 week choice.
why not 4-10? your test is going to take a while to kick in anyway...

Great idea on the Proviron . So now it looks like this:
wk 1-10 Test E at 500 mg split between 2 shots
wk 1-4 Test P at 100 mg eod spread out to kickstart cycle
wk 4-10 Proviron at 50 mg ed
wk 1-10 Aromasin at 20mg a day if any sides show up

PCT(starting 2 weeks after last injection)
day 1-30
20 mg of A-sin a day
100mg Clomid a day
20mg Nolva a day

**GOBAL** · 08-05-2008, 06:07 AM

proviron is good for 10 or more week... is not a 17AA...

no problem with proviron for long long time....

**one8nine** · 08-05-2008, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by GOBAL

proviron is good for 10 or more week... is not a 17AA...

no problem with proviron for long long time....

yeah its still 1 methyl...
stil an oral
not AS toxic
still toxic

**one8nine** · 08-05-2008, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by xXDevilDogXx

Great idea on the Proviron . So now it looks like this:
wk 1-10 Test E at 500 mg split between 2 shots
wk 1-4 Test P at 100 mg eod spread out to kickstart cycle
wk 4-10 Proviron at 50 mg ed
wk 1-10 Aromasin at 20mg a day if any sides show up

PCT(starting 2 weeks after last injection)
day 1-30
20 mg of A-sin a day
100mg Clomid a day
20mg Nolva a day

if you dont want to use the test p correctly, i suggest you think about just frontloading the test e instead
that dosage of clomid is very high, i suggest keepking clomid under 50mg, if you do use it at all
i like the rest

**xXDevilDogXx** · 08-06-2008, 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by one8nine

if you dont want to use the test p correctly, i suggest you think about just frontloading the test e instead
that dosage of clomid is very high, i suggest keepking clomid under 50mg, if you do use it at all
i like the rest

How would you suggest using the test p?

I was thinking eod for the first 4 weeks would be like a fast acting front load.

I'll probably drop the cloomid from 100 mg to 50 mg after the first day. And run it like that for the rest of the month.

**one8nine** · 08-06-2008, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by xXDevilDogXx

How would you suggest using the test p?

I was thinking eod for the first 4 weeks would be like a fast acting front load.

I'll probably drop the cloomid from 100 mg to 50 mg after the first day. And run it like that for the rest of the month.

test p every day
using a different drug is a kickstart
using the same drug in high dose in the geginning is a frontload
for example
1: 1000mg
2: 750mg
3-10: 500mg

**xXDevilDogXx** · 08-07-2008, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by one8nine

test p every day
using a different drug is a kickstart
using the same drug in high dose in the geginning is a frontload
for example
1: 1000mg
2: 750mg
3-10: 500mg

The DBol , I wanted try it for next cycle which will be Test/Deca (or EQ)/DBol kicker.

**one8nine** · 08-07-2008, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by xXDevilDogXx

I have a crap load of schering Test E. That was gonna be my base. I also have 10mL of 100mg/mL Test P. That was why I originally thought about using it with my base (test e) to kickstart things. I also have some DBol, but wanted to save it for next cycle which will be Test/Deca(or EQ)/DBol kicker.

if you do test p i think you need more to be worth it.
if you do test p, do it every day 50mg.
if you don't do it every day, don't do it.
if you have enough test e, front-load
id much rather see you kick-start with dbol than improperly use test p

**xXDevilDogXx** · 08-07-2008, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by one8nine

if you do test p i think you need more to be worth it.
if you do test p, do it every day 50mg.
if you don't do it every day, don't do it.
if you have enough test e, front-load
id much rather see you kick-start with dbol than improperly use test p

OK, I think I got it now.

Cycle will be more of a lean bulk. Gonna use the Test E at 250mgs x 2 a wk, am I better off with the DBol kicker or using the Test P at 50mg ed until the 10 mLs is gone? At 50 mgs ed, the test P will last me right at 3 weeks. Is that a good kicker? Cuz the Test E usually hits me around week 4 anyways.

It'll look like this:
wk 1-3: 50 mg ed Test P + 500 mg Test E (= 850 mg Test/wk)
wk 4-10: 50 mg ed Proviron + 500 mg Test E

Then proper PCT.

or,

wk 1-4: 30 mg DBol + 500 mg Test E
wk 5-10: 50 mg ed Proviron + 500 mg Test E

Then proper PCT.

???

**burnin69** · 08-07-2008, 10:58 AM

I think you should be fine with the eod injects with the prop. but it looks alot better frontloading the prop and keeping the test e seperate. since you have alot of test e then try bumping up your cycle to 12 weeks.

**xXDevilDogXx** · 08-07-2008, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by burnin69

I think you should be fine with the eod injects with the prop. but it looks alot better frontloading the prop and keeping the test e seperate. since you have alot of test e then try bumping up your cycle to 12 weeks.

So you are saying wait and start the test e on week 4 and just do eod 100 mg of test p?