Build my "perfect cycle" pun intended ;)

**1K2GO** · 08-05-2008, 01:54 PM

Guys ive been reading on here for months, very useful information, and i am ready to start thinking about my first cycles leading into the race season next year. Planning ahead.

Background: i am an elite cyclist (semi-pro), been racing for years. 31 years old. 6'3" 180 pounds, very lean. Not sure of BF but its gotta be really low.

My goals are in order of importance:

1: increase anaerobic and aerobic performance (more RBC's)
2. remain lean (power to weight ratio is what equals speed on the bike)
3. boost overall power on the bike, build lean quality muscle mass.
4. decrease recovery times after hard workouts.
5. boost endurance.

From what i have read it seems like a test and EQ stack would be a good start, but HGH also seems like it would help. Clen is VERY very popular with endurance athletes.

I dont want wacko side effects or to harm my body, so i am very cautious. At the same time 80% of my competition is using and im getting left behind.

The confusing thing is there is just so much out there.

**Flex-Appeal** · 08-05-2008, 01:57 PM

I think you would fall in love with Winny

**Flex-Appeal** · 08-05-2008, 01:58 PM

i don't believe you need HGH, but thats just me.

**passthetest** · 08-05-2008, 02:00 PM

No as a cyclist he shoudl stay far away from winny considering it dries you out and often causes joint pain.

Ya a low dose of eq/test would be great the only thing is you would be getting really big pumps for extened periods of time. Could even be painful..

**passthetest** · 08-05-2008, 02:01 PM

As far as clen goes I'm sure it owuld be effecttive but albuterol has proved to increse endurance/ improve breathing, just has a very short half life

**"Maximus"** · 08-05-2008, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by 1K2GO

Guys ive been reading on here for months, very useful information, and i am ready to start thinking about my first cycles leading into the race season next year. Planning ahead.

Background: i am an elite cyclist (semi-pro), been racing for years. 31 years old. 6'3" 180 pounds, very lean. Not sure of BF but its gotta be really low.

My goals are in order of importance:

1: increase anaerobic and aerobic performance (more RBC's)
2. remain lean (power to weight ratio is what equals speed on the bike)
3. boost overall power on the bike, build lean quality muscle mass.
4. decrease recovery times after hard workouts.
5. boost endurance.
From what i have read it seems like a test and EQ stack would be a good start, but HGH also seems like it would help. Clen is VERY very popular with endurance athletes.

I dont want wacko side effects or to harm my body, so i am very cautious. At the same time 80% of my competition is using and im getting left behind.

The confusing thing is there is just so much out there.

Welcome bro!

I can't offer any advice on cycle info yet, as I'm not on AAS and quite honestly still reading getting all my facts straight before I even attempt at using them. However, about the HGH, if you can afford it and stack it along with an AAS cycle, go for it, as it will help you on the bullets in bold above. From what I've read so far, it has good synergistic effect when coupled with AAS so in my opinion is worth trying. Of course, read on it and USE it carefully.

**1K2GO** · 08-05-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by passthetest

As far as clen goes I'm sure it owuld be effecttive but albuterol has proved to increse endurance/ improve breathing, just has a very short half life

I have albuterol and have tried it right before races with no noticeable effect. would it help to cycle the stuff every day or something?

**Phate** · 08-05-2008, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by 1K2GO

I have albuterol and have tried it right before races with no noticeable effect. would it help to cycle the stuff every day or something?

albuterol is supposed to be taken 3x per day, and yes, starting it earlier than the day of would probably help as you could see how it affects you before the race

**Strategus** · 08-06-2008, 01:19 AM

This is what I would tell a guy who's COMMUTING a long distance on a bike - not tested and not competing against anyone else.

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So glad you're not in that nasty smog in Beijing! I feel so bad for those guys who have to deal with that particulate mess. Clean air just might be a competitive advantage for you if enough elite cyclists get even modest respiratory infections relating to the smog in the Olympics...

You'll wanna search for the cmpds. that have a tendency to increase RBC's. I'm almost sure that test does that, even at pretty low doses.

Also, the amounts for strength and power on a bike may be less than what bodybuilders typically use.

Possibilities are test by itself or with EQ or nandrolone , maybe some others. Would definitely stay away from winstrol because it causes problems with joints. Dunno about anavar on a bicycle with regard to aerobic capacity?

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Totally different story if you're competing against anyone though....

When will you be tested, or do you ride in non-sanctioned events? EQ and nandrolone last a long time in the bloodstream and are pretty detectable from what I've read.

Too bad there's no magic cmpd. to keep the cars away....

**Pac Man** · 08-06-2008, 01:42 AM

sleep in an elevation chamber aka hyperbaric chamber aka gamow chamber to help increase red blood count.
You can make one fairly cheap, even close to free.
Tank can be fabbed from an old propane tank, over 200 gallons.
Can use a vacuum pump from an old fridge.
Other stuff can be found fairly cheap at home depot or a junk yard.
I wouldn't try and use one without having a sitter though.

**graeme87** · 08-06-2008, 01:44 AM

First things first, will you be tested? And if so when?

PT · 08-06-2008, 03:28 AM

winny would be the obvious choice since it was ben johnsons(sprinter) 1st choice but like stated above some people will have joint pain with it. personally i have used winny many times and never felt the slightest hint of joint pain but everyone reacts different to different drugs.

**1K2GO** · 08-06-2008, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by graeme87

First things first, will you be tested? And if so when?

No testing at this level.

**1K2GO** · 08-06-2008, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Ironside

sleep in an elevation chamber aka hyperbaric chamber aka gamow chamber to help increase red blood count.
You can make one fairly cheap, even close to free.
Tank can be fabbed from an old propane tank, over 200 gallons.
Can use a vacuum pump from an old fridge.
Other stuff can be found fairly cheap at home depot or a junk yard.
I wouldn't try and use one without having a sitter though.

i know all about altitude tents. Never new you could make one though...would love to learn more! Any plans etc?

**graeme87** · 08-06-2008, 09:15 AM

If you’re not being tested then using long esters won’t be a problem.

A simple test only cycle is recommended for first time users and I think would give you good results. However since you are looking for the best cycle for your sport I’ve come up with 2 sample cycles.

2 injectables and one oral

1-14 Test E 250mg per week (a hrt dose of test is the basis for any cycle)
1-12 Deca 300mg per week (this is supposed to be good for the joints)
7-12 Winny or halo or var 50mg ED (pick one of these orals all are good for your needs, halo will give the most strength gains and added aggression so it may be the best)

or 3 injectables

1-14 Test E 250mg per week
1-12 Deca 300mg per week
1-12 EQ or Winny or Masterone 350mg per week (pick one of these injectables, winny and masterone need shot ED so you may prefer EQ if your not to fond of needles)

With either cycle your performance should peak around week 12 assuming your training is in order.

**1K2GO** · 08-06-2008, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by graeme87

If you’re not being tested then using long esters won’t be a problem.

A simple test only cycle is recommended for first time users and I think would give you good results. However since you are looking for the best cycle for your sport I’ve come up with 2 sample cycles.

2 injectables and one oral

1-14 Test E 250mg per week (a hrt dose of test is the basis for any cycle)
1-12 Deca 300mg per week (this is supposed to be good for the joints)
7-12 Winny or halo or var 50mg ED (pick one of these orals all are good for your needs, halo will give the most strength gains and added aggression so it may be the best)

or 3 injectables

1-14 Test E 250mg per week
1-12 Deca 300mg per week
1-12 EQ or Winny or Masterone 350mg per week (pick one of these injectables, winny and masterone need shot ED so you may prefer EQ if your not to fond of needles)

With either cycle your performance should peak around week 12 assuming your training is in order.

any 2nd opinions on this anyone?