Good plan for first two cycles?

**itraylor** · 08-09-2008, 12:37 PM

I wanted some comments on the two cycles listed below. I am currently 28years old; 6’, 188 lbs, and approximately 16% body fat according to my scale. My only cycle experience is 10 weeks of Deca , 1 cc a week. I put on some weight and gained some strength but also gained some fat and bloat. I didn’t do a PCT because I didn’t know much then and was just mainly listening to my brother who I thought knew what he was doing. That was over 9 months ago and I believe that I have a good plan but wanted some opinions. My plans for my original cycle have changed and I now plan on this being my first real cycle:

Week 1-6: Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg/wk (shot twice)
Week 7-12: Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg/wk (shot twice); Proviron 25 mg/day
Post Cycle (30 days): Clomid 100 mg/day; Nolvadex 20 mg/day

I was wondering if this is okay to do next:

Week 1-6: Sustanon 250 125 mg/EOD; Trenbolone Acetate 75 mg/EOD
Week 7-12: Sustanon 250 125 mg/EOD; Trenbolone Acetate 75 mg/EOD; Proviron 25 mg/day
Post Cycle (30 days): Clomid 100 mg/day; Nolvadex 20 mg/day

I would prefer to use Test Prop but it is a little more expensive than I can afford and I already have the Sust on hand because I had planned on using it for my first cycle but changed my mind. I know my body fat needs to be lowered some, which is the plan. I don’t anticipate starting the first cycle for another 4-5 weeks. Diet is not totally dialed in but it is good considering I am currently serving in Iraq. This is my third post questioning a cycle but the first reference both cycles. I just want to ensure things are wired tight before I begin. Thanks for any advice.

**redz** · 08-09-2008, 12:43 PM

The main thing I`m seeing with those cycles especialyl the second one is that the pct is too weak and it should contain and ai and serm. Also while on tren you will want to atleast have letro on hand in case of gyno. Why use sustanon the second time around? Test E is far superior imo.

**one8nine** · 08-09-2008, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by itraylor

Week 1-6: Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg/wk (shot twice)
Week 7-12: Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg/wk (shot twice); Proviron 25 mg/day
Post Cycle (30 days): Clomid 100 mg/day; Nolvadex 20 mg/day

good cycle, terrible pct
pct starts 2 weeks after final test e shot

Originally Posted by itraylor

I was wondering if this is okay to do next:

Week 1-6: Sustanon 250 125 mg/EOD; Trenbolone Acetate 75 mg/EOD
Week 7-12: Sustanon 250 125 mg/EOD; Trenbolone Acetate 75 mg/EOD; Proviron 25 mg/day
Post Cycle (30 days): Clomid 100 mg/day; Nolvadex 20 mg/day

I would prefer to use Test Prop but it is a little more expensive than I can afford and I already have the Sust on hand because I had planned on using it for my first cycle but changed my mind. I know my body fat needs to be lowered some, which is the plan. I don’t anticipate starting the first cycle for another 4-5 weeks. Diet is not totally dialed in but it is good considering I am currently serving in Iraq. This is my third post questioning a cycle but the first reference both cycles. I just want to ensure things are wired tight before I begin. Thanks for any advice.

tren ace is used daily, not eod.
maybe do 1/4ml sust, and 1/2ml tren daily?

**one8nine** · 08-09-2008, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by redz

The main thing I`m seeing with those cycles especialyl the second one is that the pct is too weak and it should contain and ai and serm. Also while on tren you will want to atleast have letro on hand in case of gyno. Why use sustanon the second time around? Test E is far superior imo.

he already has sust on hand
very well said

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/354573-one8nines-opinion-pct-links-side-effect-control-too.html#post4111013

**itraylor** · 08-09-2008, 12:58 PM

I have the Sust on hand and wanted to match up with the Tren since both are shot EOD. I figured the PCT may be a little weak but I just don’t know where to get the Letro and other PCT stuff, just have access to Clomid, Nolva, and Armidex.

**one8nine** · 08-09-2008, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by itraylor

I have the Sust on hand and wanted to match up with the Tren since both are shot EOD. I figured the PCT may be a little weak but I just don’t know where to get the Letro and other PCT stuff, just have access to Clomid, Nolva, and Armidex.

tren ace is used daily not eod

**itraylor** · 08-09-2008, 01:02 PM

Thanks for the tips. The daily injections will be painful but I could do that, thanks for the suggestion. I will research the PCT more and try to get my hands on the other compounds. I appreciate the fast reply.

**one8nine** · 08-09-2008, 01:06 PM

you got plenty of time to research bro

**itraylor** · 08-09-2008, 11:08 PM

Ok after more reading I think that I can drop/add some other things to improve the PCT. I think that this PCT would work for just about any cycle, but am interested in hearing comments.

Week 1-5: Nolvadex 20mg/day
Week 1-3: HCG 500 IU/2xweek
Week 1-5: Proviron 25mg/day

I just have one question about HCG. When you mix it with the solvent and have to refrigerate it does it come with a spare vial to mix it in or do you have to get that separate? Thanks.

**one8nine** · 08-10-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by itraylor

Ok after more reading I think that I can drop/add some other things to improve the PCT. I think that this PCT would work for just about any cycle, but am interested in hearing comments.

Week 1-5: Nolvadex 20mg/day
Week 1-3: HCG 500 IU/2xweek
Week 1-5: Proviron 25mg/day

I just have one question about HCG. When you mix it with the solvent and have to refrigerate it does it come with a spare vial to mix it in or do you have to get that separate? Thanks.

the solvent is water it may or may not come with it
you just inject the sterile water into the hcg powder very slowly
i make sure the water and powder are cold first just to be safe, always keep cold after