Deca cycle information

**slavy** · 08-09-2008, 06:27 PM

I wanna use injectable Deca for a 12wk cycle. I have never used anabolics before. I'm hoping someone here will have the knowledge and provide advice to help me maximize results and limit negative side effects.

I hear taking a testosterone supplement will minimize decreased libido, any other advice for me?

**Big** · 08-09-2008, 06:29 PM

Welcome.
age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?
years training?
pct knowledge?

**peachfuzz** · 08-09-2008, 06:31 PM

please provide us with you statistics.
-age
-height
-weight
-bodyfat percentage
-training experience
-cycle experience. if any.
-shoe size
-and what you are looking to accomplish.

**peachfuzz** · 08-09-2008, 06:33 PM

Big is in ******* mode. Didnt even see you in here then BAM! post from Big.

**slavy** · 08-09-2008, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Big

Welcome.
age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?
years training?
pct knowledge?

29
6'0
195
Not sure of BF%
Not training long, a few months or so.
Little knowledge, hence: thread.

**slavy** · 08-09-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by peachfuzz

please provide us with you statistics.
-age
-height
-weight
-bodyfat percentage
-training experience
-cycle experience. if any.
-shoe size
-and what you are looking to accomplish.

LOL shoe size

**Big** · 08-09-2008, 06:37 PM

You really should be training for more than a few months before using steroids , and deca is not good for a first cycle. If after a few months of training you drastically increase muscle mass you are increasing the chances of ligament/tendon/connective tissue damage, your body will not be ready for what's about to happen.

**slavy** · 08-09-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Big

You really should be training for more than a few months before using steroids, and deca is not good for a first cycle. If after a few months of training you drastically increase muscle mass you are increasing the chances of ligament/tendon/connective tissue damage, your body will not be ready for what's about to happen.

Yes, I know. I have done my research. But, I'm not looking for a discussion on morality. I seek advice on how to maximize results and limit side effects. I'm not planning to try Deca until the end of this winter.

**slavy** · 08-09-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Big

You really should be training for more than a few months before using steroids, and deca is not good for a first cycle. If after a few months of training you drastically increase muscle mass you are increasing the chances of ligament/tendon/connective tissue damage, your body will not be ready for what's about to happen.

What is a good first cycle?

**Phate** · 08-09-2008, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Big

You really should be training for more than a few months before using steroids, and deca is not good for a first cycle. If after a few months of training you drastically increase muscle mass you are increasing the chances of ligament/tendon/connective tissue damage, your body will not be ready for what's about to happen.

x2^^^, not to mention you don't yet know how your body works as far as response to weight training goes

your best bet is to get your diet in check, DIET IS 90% OF ANYTHING BODYBUILDING RELATED

here is some stuff on diet to help you out

DIET HELP

here is the diet that i'm on right now, it's a good base to go off of, listed below are things to help you create your own diet off it

1) One thing that will help you drastically is called carb tapering, if you notice the bulk of my carbs are in the morning and after my workout, i don't eat hardly any close to when i go to sleep

2) Another thing is that eat meal is either protein/carb or protein/fat and the fats are good fats(EFA=Essential fatty acids) from flax oil or fish oil. Try not to eat fat with carbs as the fat will become, well, fat since your body is made to be energy efficient, by putting carbs, which are easier to break down for energy, in the same meal as fats your body stores the fat for later and uses the carbs for energy, not what you want.

3) try to eat every 2-3 hours, this is the amount of time it takes for your body to digest a meal and by giving it a constant stream of food you will ensure that your metabolism is kept high, also, calories are not the same, protein has the highest thermodynamic effect, which means that it takes more calories to digest protein than carbs or fat, this also increases your metabolism

4) You should try to get at least 50-60g of protein in every meal, this is about the max your body can take at one time

5) here are some tricks for making eating so often easier, i know it's hard, i go to school 8 hours a day and i'm not allowed to bring food into class so i have to work around that
a) Make a weeks worth of food on your day off, go buy a ton of chicken, lean turkey and very lean beef and grill it, then put it in ziplock bags and label with the amount of calories and protein per bag, YOU WILL NEED TO BUY A CHEAP SCALE FOR THIS, YOU CAN GET THEM AT GNC, MAKE SURE YOU GET ONE THAT WEIGHS IN GRAMS.
b) save grocery sacks or get a lunch box and put a full three meals or so in there, lots of chicken, jerky, tuna, those are gonna be the staples of your diet

6) Don't drink more than two protein shakes a day, there are liquid and don't have the thermic effect normal food does, normal food should make up 95% of your diet, though a shake after workout or in a pinch is perfectly fine

that should get you started, i'm sure you'll still have questions so just keep posting and i'll help you however i can, i'll be in austin though for the next couple days for a state competition, though i'll try to get on at the hotel if you post and answer when i can, here's the diet i'm on to model after

Meal 1 - 5 egg whites (cal 80, pro18), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat5), 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5). sprinkle cinnamon. TOTALS - Cal 485, carbs 53 pro 50, Fat 6.5

WORKOUT

PWO - 2 scoop whey (cal224, carb5, pro46, fat3), WMS 80g (cal280 carb68) TOTALS – Cal519, carbs73, pro58 fat 3

PPWO - Tuna 1/2 tin (cal 72,carb0 pro15 ), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat4) 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5) TOTALS – cal480 carbs53 pro50 fat5.5

meal 4 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Coconut Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS – cal372, pro54, fat14

Meal 5 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Flax Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS – cal372, pro54, fat14

Meal 6 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) hemp Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS – cal372, pro54, fat14

Before Bed – Lean Mince200g (cal328 pro51 fat12) TOTALS cal328 pro51 fat12

DAILY TOTAL Cal 2928Carbs 179 Protein 360 fat 68.5

Each chicken meal served with a handful of fibrous green veg bringing carbs to approx 200g per day in total.

DIET 2

Macros: Food/Calories/Protein-Carbs-Fat

Meal 1: 60g Oatmeal/225cal/8gP-41gC-2gF
turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 2: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 3: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 4: 10mL flax oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 5: 10mL fish oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF

Meal 6: Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF
beef or turkey 150cal/25gP-0gC-4gF

macros:Calories: 2615
Protein: 335
Carbs: 111
Fats: 74

and here are some links to help you out

UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet...
UNoffical "How to Cut" thread and sample diet...
Appetite For Construction
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

**Big** · 08-09-2008, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by slavy

Yes, I know. I have done my research. But, I'm not looking for a discussion on morality. I seek advice on how to maximize results and limit side effects. I'm not planning to try Deca until the end of this winter.

I didn't mention morality, my interest was to keep you from hurting yourself.
I have a better idea, figure it out without me.

**slavy** · 08-09-2008, 06:51 PM

Thanks Big.

Members: 92,507

**Big** · 08-09-2008, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by slavy

Thanks Big.

Members: 92,507

Members who will recommend steroids after only working out a few months: not many lol

**slavy** · 08-09-2008, 07:05 PM

I think we're getting confused here, I'm looking for advice on supplemental/post cycle information in conjunction with the Deca ...not the Deca itself. I've worked out all my life and have good genetics.

So you're gonna let me tear my tendon, Big?

**Phate** · 08-09-2008, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by slavy

I think we're getting confused here, I'm looking for advice on supplemental/post cycle information in conjunction with the Deca ...not the Deca itself. I've worked out all my life and have good genetics.

So you're gonna let me tear my tendon, Big?

no, what we are saying is that you shouldn't be using the deca in the first place, therefore not many people are going to tell you how to run the deca, or anything else for that matter because you aren't ready to run it yet

**one8nine** · 08-09-2008, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by slavy

Thanks Big.

Members: 92,507

have some respect for people trying to help you- even though it wasnt what you wanted to hear.

**mkrulic** · 08-09-2008, 07:51 PM

there are no magic beans. you will go further in 3 months clean the you would from a cycle if you spend just a little time researching diet and resistance training.

**mkrulic** · 08-09-2008, 07:52 PM

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**hockeyguy** · 08-09-2008, 10:12 PM

I hear taking a testosterone supplement will minimize decreased libido, any other advice for me?[/QUOTE]

Listen to what they have to say and do what you want with it but no need to be so pissy. Remember you asked a question and your going to get other peoples opinion. I totally agree with whats being said good job guys!