Prop as a kick start for Test E?

[TranscriptionFactor]

Just a hypothetical question, still in the planning stages of a cycle.
I will have a fair amount of both Test E and Prop.

Planning
1-12 Test E 500 (frontloaded 1st wk)
1-10 Deca 400 (also frontloaded)
1-4 TBol 50ed
1-12 Adex .25 ed, Letro as backup

***This is early planning, I will post it complete with PCT, diet, workout plan and stats/cycle history for review prior to starting. I'm still cutting down to 8-10% bf and honing out the details. When I start I will surely keep a log with pics***

HERE are the questions:
1. Since Test E doesn't "kick in" until week 4-5, is there any advantage to adding Prop in some dosage for the first 4 weeks - like instead of Tbol or perhaps on top of Tbol?

2. Whats the point of eating for a "bulk" during this period - are the extra calories going to just end up as fat since there isn't enough anabolism?

I am adding the Tbol b/c I want to maximize this period, and I liked Tbol's profile over Dbol , seeming to be weaker but have less sides and water retention. In one respect I'd rather not do any orals at all but I kind of want to experience the dramatic increases in strength and pump these compounds reportedly give.

I have both Prop and E and eventually I want to use them both, so just chucking one is not my best option.

Thanks.
TF

[dece870717]

Front load enough Test E and this kick start will happen much faster. You use 1,000mg for the first week or first 2 weeks and you will for sure feel it by the end of the second week.

[PT]

Just a hypothetical question, still in the planning stages of a cycle.
I will have a fair amount of both Test E and Prop.

Planning
1-12 Test E 500 (frontloaded 1st wk)
1-10 Deca 400 (also frontloaded)
1-4 TBol 50ed
1-12 Adex .25 ed, Letro as backup

***This is early planning, I will post it complete with PCT, diet, workout plan and stats/cycle history for review prior to starting. I'm still cutting down to 8-10% bf and honing out the details. When I start I will surely keep a log with pics***

HERE are the questions:
1. Since Test E doesn't "kick in" until week 4-5, is there any advantage to adding Prop in some dosage for the first 4 weeks - like instead of Tbol or perhaps on top of Tbol?

2. Whats the point of eating for a "bulk" during this period - are the extra calories going to just end up as fat since there isn't enough anabolism?

I am adding the Tbol b/c I want to maximize this period, and I liked Tbol's profile over Dbol , seeming to be weaker but have less sides and water retention. In one respect I'd rather not do any orals at all but I kind of want to experience the dramatic increases in strength and pump these compounds reportedly give.

I have both Prop and E and eventually I want to use them both, so just chucking one is not my best option.

Thanks.
TF

how many cycles have you done previously and what are your stats?

alot of people will use an oral or test prop to jumpstart a enth or cyp cycle. just run the prop and test enth together for the first 3-4 weeks the drop the prop.

as for calories, you want alot when bulking but you still want a semi-clean diet. dont stuff yourself with icecream and cookies or of course you will get fat. you want to shoot for around 4500 calories but that depends on your stats and your average daily calorie intake. try to eat 6-7 meals ed consisting of protein, carbs and a little fat. your goal should be between 1.5-2.5 grams of protein per lb of bw per day

[SmittyTheOX]

Front load enough Test E and this kick start will happen much faster. You use 1,000mg for the first week or first 2 weeks and you will for sure feel it by the end of the second week.

If you follow what dece870717 has said and run your test eth @100mg/week for the first 2 weeks it will definatly get your test levels up quickly.

This is a rough idea of what it will look like:



OX

[te4vass]

yah I was wondering the same thing. would it be better to frontload a test-e cycle with 1000mg of test-e or add prop to 500mg test-e a week for the first couple of weeks?

or are they about the same?

[one8nine]

dont frontload test e AND kickstart test p
just pick one, i say frontload

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Ok thanks, I will just frontload Test E.

My stats 6'6" 215 bf 10-11% and dropping. 39 yo. lifting since about 15 off and on but mostly for strength, mostly did cardio type sports, my previous diet sucked, ate only 2-3 times a day, big meals with lots of carbs, not enough protein for the day....now i'm getting my shiz together. Only did 1 cycle, about 2 yrs ago Sust 250/Eq 200 for 8 weeks - I know, it was too little too short, but I was nervous and poor. I did put on 12 lbs.
Looking to make 20lbs quality gains. But as I said in the orig. post, rest assured I will post everything for preview about a week before I actually start.

I really dig that pharmokinetic graph of Test E blood levels from SmittytheOx. If you read this post, is that from a computer program that's available.

Bumping this cause I think a number of people have a question about this... and check out my new avi

[SmittyTheOX]

I really dig that pharmokinetic graph of Test E blood levels from SmittytheOx. If you read this post, is that from a computer program that's available.

Yeah mate it helps a lot in planning things out when you can see it charted out like that.