2nd cycle...Tren?

[NewMuscle83]

I'm finishing out my current cycle as we speak, I have one week left. It's my first "cycle" and I'm doing Anavar only at 80mgs ED for 7.5 weeks or so. Basically, I'm very disappointed. From what I read about Anavar, especially on this site, I was expecting something totally different. I started at 200 lbs with 11.2% bf, and I'm still at that! I researched my diet and excercise real well, and I did everything right, down to the smallest detail. Either my Var is fake, or it's absurdly weak. Either way, someone needs to change the Var profile on this site.

In any case, I regret spending the money, and wish I should've just pinned from the beggining. Therefore, I am considering a "real" cycle this time. Of course, I will be taking about 3 months off or more, as I am not considering doing this until Feb or March next year. However, I want to do as much research as possible before I do. I want to basically get leaner, stronger, and harder, without bulking up too badly..that is why I'm considering a test/tren /winni cycle as follows;

Weeks 1-8 (or 10, or 12) Test E 250mg/week
Weeks 1-8 (or 10, or 12) Tren A 75mg/EOD
Last 4 weeks of cycle Winni 50mg/ED

Of course proper pct will be used, as will as other substances during the cycle to protect against gyno, balding, bloating, etc.

I read a lot of things on here warning "newbies" not to get into tren so early, but no one really says why. If it is because of the anger and agression issues, I don't see it as a big problem. I would appreciate any input to lead me in the right direction.

Thanks.

[Dukkit]

well considering you havent done a "first proper" cycle i would recommend that you DONT do a tren , mast cycle. you havent even ran test yet mister. if you run a decent 500mg/per week cycle of test E or so, you will get the results your looking for. If your diet and training are down.

you mention why shouldnt newbies run tren? well sides for one. if your not used to running a few compounds or in your case havent even ran test yet. you wont know what sides are coming from what item? test and tren cause sides. so how do you know whats what, from which thing?

also, you can make alot of gains from a test or test/oral. so why jack your receptors up by using to many compounds. especially a stronger compound like tren?

so over all try a simple Test cycle. or a test/d-bol cycle. youll get the gains your looking for. especially if your anavar was bunk and you saw no gains. it will be like the difference between night and day.

[Phate]

heres a reason not to use a 19nor yet

1. Your receptors are fresh so a test first cycle will yield VERY GOOD results as long as your diet, which is the most important part of bodybuilding, and training is on point.

2. Because of gyno and estrogen related sides, deca is a bad choice for a first cycle as it is a progestrine, let me elaborate a bit on this. Testosterone gets converted to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme, but deca doesn't aromatize to estrogen at all, instead it stimulates progestrone, which can cause the same sides as estrogen, but here's the kicker
Since test stimulates sides via estrogen and deca stimulates sides via progestrone if you get sides which do you treat the gyno, acne, whatever... things like nolva actually can make sides caused by deca worse by making the progesterone receptors more sensitive

as you can see, running deca for a first cycle can be risky especially if you are afraid of gyno

3.Oh yes, there's more, deca is a 19nor and is very supressive so the pct is going to have to be more intensive and thus more expensive

[Bullyson]

Weeks 1-8 (or 10, or 12) Test E 250mg/week
Weeks 1-8 (or 10, or 12) Tren A 75mg/EOD
Last 4 weeks of cycle Winni 50mg/ED

Thats a tiny dose of everything. If you have to run tren in your 1st real cycle ( I did) at least do it right. I'd double up on that dose of test and run the tren ed to keep your levels...well, level. The up and down up and down will make the sides worse. I had to find all this out the hard way before I was smart enough to ask around. Good luck bro.

[jstraw428]

Tren is definitly not a beginner compound.....It can have some really harsh sides, even for the experiencd user.....a simple test cycle would show great results, since this will be your first cycle.....

If you didnt gain anything on your anavar at that dosage, i would say that it is either fake, or you have no idea about training and dieting....

[WARMachine]

If you didnt gain anything on your anavar at that dosage, i would say that it is either fake, or you have no idea about training and dieting....

Agreed... Dude check out the diet and training section. You need to start a Test only cycle before doing Tren .

Run:
Weeks 1-12: Test E @250MG 2XW

Do that and re-evaluate youre next cycle...


Also for the record,

Weeks 1-8 (or 10, or 12) Test E 250mg/week No good! test levels too low! and E is a long ester Test, use Prop when running Tren and inject 75MG ED.
Weeks 1-8 (or 10, or 12) Tren A 75mg/EOD Tren needs to be injected ED, the dose is fine though.
Last 4 weeks of cycle Winni 50mg/ED This is fine.

what was your PCT though?

Just curious to see if you know what is needed?

[arenawarrior]

Thats a tiny dose of everything. If you have to run tren in your 1st real cycle ( I did) at least do it right. I'd double up on that dose of test and run the tren ed to keep your levels...well, level. The up and down up and down will make the sides worse. I had to find all this out the hard way before I was smart enough to ask around. Good luck bro.

i agree

[NewMuscle83]

If you didnt gain anything on your anavar at that dosage, i would say that it is either fake, or you have no idea about training and dieting....

well something is off for sure. I got my var from a reputeable source and it was verified legit on this site. I am very sure about my diet and excercise. I've done research for years and I am far from stupid. I got more than awesome results from diet and excercise naturally cause I did right, and I wanted to take it to the next level so I tried the var. could it b that my body dsnt react effeciently to it?

[WARMachine]

I am very sure about my diet and excercise. I've done research for years and I am far from stupid.

You say that youve done your research for years and youre idea for a first cycle was

doing Anavar only at 80mgs ED for 7.5 weeks or so. Basically, I'm very disappointed. From what I read about Anavar, especially on this site,

Like i previously stated, Run:
Weeks 1-12: Test E @250MG 2XW

Do that and re-evaluate youre next cycle

and have a proper PCT!

[NewMuscle83]

my research that was done for years was about diet and excercise, not anabolics. I'm completely new to that. I did research for almost a year on what to do for my first cycle and the overwhelming response in articles and forums was the var for what I was trying to do (leaner. stronger, with little or no mass). most people warned me against a test cycle saying it will get bulky and increase my bf. I am ready to try test now since I found out for myself the var is a waste of time when ran alone. pct is of the atmost importance to me so I will do extensive research for during and post cycle.

[redz]

my research that was done for years was about diet and excercise, not anabolics. I'm completely new to that. I did research for almost a year on what to do for my first cycle and the overwhelming response in articles and forums was the var for what I was trying to do (leaner. stronger, with little or no mass). most people warned me against a test cycle saying it will get bulky and increase my bf. I am ready to try test now since I found out for myself the var is a waste of time when ran alone. pct is of the atmost importance to me so I will do extensive research for during and post cycle.

I never see anyone on this site suggest anavar as a first cycle. Pretty much everyone is telling people to try test E or Test c first.

[jstraw428]

without you posting your diet, we can only assume, that your gear is fake, or you dont know how to train......But at 80mg of anavar ed, you should have gotten at least some results, even if your diet was shit.....I personally think your gear was fake....

[WARMachine]

^^^ True...

I mean if what you wanted was leaner and stonger with no mass change, then can see how someone would recommend Var...

But a Var only cycle should only be used as a Bridge for like 6wks...

Not as a 8 or 10 wk cycle, youre wasting money at that point.

[NewMuscle83]

unfortunately I'm browsing on my phone so I can't post the link to my diet, however, if u go to the member cycle results and click on the 'anavar cycle log' thread, u wud see all my info for that cycle.

[NewMuscle83]

Ok, here it is for those interested http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=351454