Cutting with Test + D-Bol ..

**vBRAH** · 08-16-2008, 04:35 PM

I was thinking:
Weeks 1-10: 250mg a week of Test E x 2
Weeks 1 - 5: 30mg ED of D-Bol
PCT: 40/40/20/20

On a diet ~2200 calories (CUTTING) and 50% protein/40% carbs/10% fats or so
As a first cycle would I still experience strength gain + muscle gain or ..?

**dece870717** · 08-16-2008, 04:39 PM

Yes you will still experience strength gains and muscle gains.

**stallion_1** · 08-16-2008, 04:40 PM

i will oppose this cycle because test e and d-bol are used for bulking, not cutting. why? WELL WHEN ONE CUTS ONE WANTS TO KEEP WATER RETANTION AT A MINIMUM. SO NO SMART PERSON WILL USE TEST E OR DBOL SINCE THEY RETAIN A LOT OF WATER. I THOUGHT THAT WAS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THEN I SAW THIS THREAD. LOL

FOR CUTTING USE TEST P AND ANAVAR , ALTHOUGH I AGREE WITH BIG CAT THAT ONE SHOULD NOT USE TEST FOR CUTTING CYCLES EXCEPT FOR BULKING AND RECOMP.

-Stallion

**vBRAH** · 08-16-2008, 04:43 PM

Dont have the money or a reliable source for Anavar unfortunately. I've known people to cycle with Dianabol and experience little to no water retention so I'd say that differs from person to person, your the only one I've encountered thats said NOT to cut with Test

Besides water retention will be gone 2-3 weeks after my cycle anyway and the results are all I'm enquiring about.

**Bigmax** · 08-16-2008, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by stallion_1

i will oppose this cycle because test e and d-bol are used for bulking, not cutting. why? WELL WHEN ONE CUTS ONE WANTS TO KEEP WATER RETANTION AT A MINIMUM. SO NO SMART PERSON WILL USE TEST E OR DBOL SINCE THEY RETAIN A LOT OF WATER. I THOUGHT THAT WAS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THEN I SAW THIS THREAD. LOL

FOR CUTTING USE TEST P AND ANAVAR , ALTHOUGH I AGREE WITH BIG CAT THAT ONE SHOULD NOT USE TEST FOR CUTTING CYCLES EXCEPT FOR BULKING AND RECOMP.

-Stallion

How can that be common knowledeg bro???.thats learned or expereinced as the thread starter will do...By reading,Thats why he posted to hear advise and opinions...i'll agree with you on the dbol NOt for cutting...yes too much water retention...Now as afar as using Test for cutting..well you can agree with Big cat but i can tell you many Overall trophies have been handed out to guys that used Prop to cut...My last show i stepped on stage at 3.8BF%...i took test prop up to 10 days out.

**Bigmax** · 08-16-2008, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by COUGAR BAIT

Dont have the money or a reliable source for Anavar unfortunately. I've known people to cycle with Dianabol and experience little to no water retention so I'd say that differs from person to person, your the only one I've encountered thats said NOT to cut with Test

Besides water retention will be gone 2-3 weeks after my cycle anyway and the results are all I'm enquiring about.

Bro,I dont care you are...you take dbol you WILL HOLD water and depeneding on your diet and can be plenty...If you know someone that took dbol and said they held NO water they either lied or took something fake....and yes water will be gone in 2-3 weeks after using but so will your strength and most of everything you had.

**stallion_1** · 08-16-2008, 04:51 PM

well, i respect ur opinion Big. ive only used test for recomps and bulking.
everybodys different.

**Bigmax** · 08-16-2008, 04:53 PM

yes sir you're right every one is different.

**stallion_1** · 08-16-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Bigmax

Bro,I dont care you are...you take dbol you WILL HOLD water and depeneding on your diet and can be plenty...If you know someone that took dbol and said they held NO water they either lied or took something fake....and yes water will be gone in 2-3 weeks after using but so will your strength and most of everything you had.

agreed. Dbol in cutting? never!!!!!!
use superdrol, masteron only methylated.
'tis cheap

**vBRAH** · 08-16-2008, 04:54 PM

Would Stanozolol be a better replacement for Dianabol ?
What'd you mean by "I dont care you are" btw?

And theres no such thing as cheap gear in Australia lol

**Bigmax** · 08-16-2008, 04:55 PM

By that i meant it doesnt matter who takes dbol bro...water comes with it.

**MR_T** · 08-16-2008, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by COUGAR BAIT

I was thinking:
Weeks 1-10: 250mg a week of Test E x 2
Weeks 1 - 5: 30mg ED of D-Bol
PCT: 40/40/20/20

On a diet ~2200 calories (CUTTING) and 50% protein/40% carbs/10% fats or so
As a first cycle would I still experience strength gain + muscle gain or ..?

think the more important question here is what are your stats and what exactly are you trying to accomplish?

height, weight, bf%, age?

**vBRAH** · 08-16-2008, 04:59 PM

I've explained that, a cutting cycle - and whether or not Test E is the way to go.

**stallion_1** · 08-16-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by COUGAR BAIT

I've explained that, a cutting cycle - and whether or not Test E is the way to go.

test e for cutting. NO!!!

id use test propionate and something like winny or masteron or eq.

i think gear is expensive in australia coz of the strict costumes. am i right?

PT · 08-16-2008, 05:04 PM

you can cut on any single steroid as long as you diet and control the water and estrogen which is tough for some but very possible

**Booz** · 08-16-2008, 05:05 PM

you can cut on virtually any steroid its all down to your diet...............

PT · 08-16-2008, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by stallion_1

i will oppose this cycle because test e and d-bol are used for bulking, not cutting. why? WELL WHEN ONE CUTS ONE WANTS TO KEEP WATER RETANTION AT A MINIMUM. SO NO SMART PERSON WILL USE TEST E OR DBOL SINCE THEY RETAIN A LOT OF WATER. I THOUGHT THAT WAS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THEN I SAW THIS THREAD. LOL

FOR CUTTING USE TEST P AND ANAVAR , ALTHOUGH I AGREE WITH BIG CAT THAT ONE SHOULD NOT USE TEST FOR CUTTING CYCLES EXCEPT FOR BULKING AND RECOMP.

-Stallion

lets not insult other members who are looking for help please

**Booz** · 08-16-2008, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by PT

you can cut on any single steroid as long as you diet and control the water and estrogen which is tough for some but very possible

you beat me to it....................

**vBRAH** · 08-16-2008, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by PT

you can cut on any single steroid as long as you diet and control the water and estrogen which is tough for some but very possible

Yeah thats what I'd thought in regards to Test but maybe the Dbol is best be saved for the bulk

Originally Posted by stallion_1

test e for cutting. NO!!!

id use test propionate and something like winny or masteron or eq.

i think gear is expensive in australia coz of the strict costumes. am i right?

How many ml per week of Winny or Prop?
And yep, extremely strict.

**stallion_1** · 08-16-2008, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by pt

lets not insult other members who are looking for help please

with all due respect sir, i never insulted no one.

**stallion_1** · 08-16-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by cougar bait

yeah thats what i'd thought in regards to test but maybe the dbol is best be saved for the bulk :d

how many ml per week of winny or prop?
And yep, extremely strict.

enanthate retains more water than propionate . Therefore, p is used more for cutting than e.

For an excellent 8 week cutter, id do

week 1-8 50 mg of winny ed
week 1-8 50 mg of test p eod

plus pct

**vBRAH** · 08-16-2008, 05:18 PM

Whats something I could just inject once/twice a week?

**Banelord** · 08-16-2008, 05:22 PM

Test Propionate is really good for cutting, very little or no water retension.

**stallion_1** · 08-16-2008, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by cougar bait

whats something i could just inject once/twice a week?

longer esters like enanthate or cipyonate, but we go back to the same. If ur really set on cutting on test e, then go for it, i assume its hard and expensive to find the best roids in oz. Just check on ur diet.

**one8nine** · 08-16-2008, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Booz

you can cut on virtually any steroid its all down to your diet...............

Originally Posted by PT

you can cut on any single steroid as long as you diet and control the water and estrogen which is tough for some but very possible

good to see some members know what they are talking about giving advice
diet cuts
AIs make you not hold water. i dont care WHAT YOU TAKE, if you take letro and eat right you wont bloat

Originally Posted by PT

lets not insult other members who are looking for help please

didnt you just come off suspension for this?

dont listen to stallions advice on this subject please.
winny is a good cutter but theres no reason you cant cut on dbol /test e with a strong ai and a good diet

**stallion_1** · 08-16-2008, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

good to see some members know what they are talking about giving advice
diet cuts
AIs make you not hold water. i dont care WHAT YOU TAKE, if you take letro and eat right you wont bloat

didnt you just come off suspension for this?

dont listen to stallions advice on this subject please.
winny is a good cutter but theres no reason you cant cut on dbol/test e with a strong ai and a good diet

dude, i fail to see where someone was insulted, please tell me where.

by ur advice, im gonna cut by using anadrol and test suspension.
and im gonna bulk by using winny and anavar , after all i can do either cycle on any steroid .

**one8nine** · 08-16-2008, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by stallion_1

dude, i fail to see where someone was insulted, please tell me where.

by ur advice, im gonna cut by using anadrol and test suspension.
and im gonna bulk by using winny and anavar, after all i can do either cycle on any steroid.

"IF YOU WERE SMART YOU WOULD KNOW THAT EVERY ONE DOES LOL"

go ahead bro, try it, it will work
just use test in that second cycle, and use some letro with your drol. it stimulates pgr.

my last cycle i gained 35 pounds on prop/masteron /tren /var