Trenbolone Acetate for First Italian Cycle

**SkyDiver73** · 09-07-2008, 02:47 AM

Ciao guys

,

I am here to ask you an advice since I noticed many of you advise against the use of tren for a first cycle and I do not understand the reason at all!
I write from Rome.

First my numbers: (35 yo - 215 lbs - 6'1 - 15%) and have been working out since 1996 costantly and never used any steroids before.

Here is my thought:
I tried to look up as many information as possible on any known and useable steroids nowadays available and the one that fits for a person like me, who wants to gain a few lbs of extra clean muscle (let's say 20) by keeping its fat percentage at 15, is Trenbolone Acetate.
My target is not to become Hulk but to increase my clean body muscle a bit more, especially in my legs and than stop using the drug.

Tren is the only one with possibly no side effects or very acceptable ones since it does not water retains, neither aromatize nor DHT.
So, I would not need to combine other drugs to stimulate it (since it is three times more effective than testosterone itself) and, I can greatly avoid to use other drugs to reduce its side effects, surely not possible with other steroids.

What I would like to do is the following:
- three cycles of tren 8 weeks per cycle.
- 100mg EOD, so 400mg per week.
- Trenaplex A 100 is the option available to me.
- PCT: Clomid 50mg ED for two weeks and HGH Jintropin 4IU ED for 8 weeks.
- 5000 Kcal ED combining macro nutrients as follows: 50% glucides, 35% protides, 15% lipides.

After the 8 weeks of HGH I will start the second cycle.

So guys, thanks for reading and what do you think?
Grazie

PT · 09-07-2008, 03:22 AM

tren alone is frowned upon but it can definatly be done with good results if you can avoid the sides. personally i would throw a hrt dose of test in there

**daem** · 09-07-2008, 03:29 AM

First of all, I advise against it because it requires ED (every day) injections and that can be overwhelming for a novice. A longer estered testosterone like cypionate or enanthate only requires 1 or 2 injections per week and will yield great results that you'll be happy with for your first time

I'm about to use a long-winded racing analogy to explain why I think you shouldn't rush in to trenbolone ...

When you learn to race, you start in lower classes and work your way up. Nobody starts driving in an F1 car because you need to understand the fundamentals of driving (in this case, fundamentals are diet/training/rest). Just like driving, bodybuilding takes years of discipline and fundamentals to master.

Training naturally is like driving a daily commute car. Fairly forgiving, lots of room for improvements in your driving skills, and allows you to practice habits that make you a good driver. (In our case, bodybuilder)

Testosterone would be like a Ferrari. Very powerful experience and requires precision driving skills to take advantage of. No driver in this car (I hope) would be lacking in the fundamentals.

Trenbolone is like an F1 car. When all the fundamentals are there and experience has been properly obtained, this is an ultimate driving experience.

Maybe it's late and my analogy doesn't make sense, but you have a long ways to go before you should think about trenbolone.

Best of luck in your decision making process.

PT · 09-07-2008, 03:53 AM

^^agreed^^ tren should be used after seeing how your body reacts to other steroids first. tren is one of the harshest steroids and should'nt be used in a first cycle

**SkyDiver73** · 09-07-2008, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by daem

First of all, I advise against it because it requires ED (every day) injections and that can be overwhelming for a novice. A longer estered testosterone like cypionate or enanthate only requires 1 or 2 injections per week and will yield great results that you'll be happy with for your first time

I'm about to use a long-winded racing analogy to explain why I think you shouldn't rush in to trenbolone ...

When you learn to race, you start in lower classes and work your way up. Nobody starts driving in an F1 car because you need to understand the fundamentals of driving (in this case, fundamentals are diet/training/rest). Just like driving, bodybuilding takes years of discipline and fundamentals to master.

Training naturally is like driving a daily commute car. Fairly forgiving, lots of room for improvements in your driving skills, and allows you to practice habits that make you a good driver. (In our case, bodybuilder)

Testosterone would be like a Ferrari. Very powerful experience and requires precision driving skills to take advantage of. No driver in this car (I hope) would be lacking in the fundamentals.

Trenbolone is like an F1 car. When all the fundamentals are there and experience has been properly obtained, this is an ultimate driving experience.

Maybe it's late and my analogy doesn't make sense, but you have a long ways to go before you should think about trenbolone.

Best of luck in your decision making process.

First of all thank you for your care and your analogy do make sense to me.
It is not too late since I did not yet begin, I await the staff to arrive, probably I will start in October.

However, the test you proposed is surely much more affordable than tren but it does force me to use other drugs to reduce all the side effects, which I do not want. I understand what you clearly meant on your answer but I believe trenbolone is still the best choice after all. Health is the most important factor and trenbolone is the safest as far as I am concerned.
Of course, training with tren on my own could be risky if so much strenght is really added, like driving a Ferrari without experience.

You know what, when I was 18yo I learnt how to drive in a truck nearby Rome named Vallelunga and my first care was a Maserati Biturbo 2L...

Good luck to you too.

**SkyDiver73** · 09-07-2008, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by PT

^^agreed^^ tren should be used after seeing how your body reacts to other steroids first. tren is one of the harshest steroids and should'nt be used in a first cycle

Thanks also to you PT for your responses.
Ciao

**VWbug66** · 09-07-2008, 11:25 AM

tren has some harsh side effects..heat flashes, you can't do cardio bc you get tired 10x as more...your dick will not work, so you wont be able to fvuck..you'll like a women on her period, bitch..

you should just get sum test enanthate , and nolvadex ...don't take the nolva until you see signs of gyno. which in my case, i dont need to take nolva till late in the cycle..some people dont even need it bc they're not prone to gyno..so i strongly advise to not use tren on first cycle

**bbuilder** · 09-07-2008, 11:43 AM

Test only or with some EQ would be a good first cycle.

Save the Tren for later.

**SkyDiver73** · 09-07-2008, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by VWbug66

tren has some harsh side effects..heat flashes, you can't do cardio bc you get tired 10x as more...your dick will not work, so you wont be able to fvuck..you'll like a women on her period, bitch..

you should just get sum test enanthate, and nolvadex...don't take the nolva until you see signs of gyno. which in my case, i dont need to take nolva till late in the cycle..some people dont even need it bc they're not prone to gyno..so i strongly advise to not use tren on first cycle

I see but what about water ritention? I would prefer being nervous than full of water with a flabby belly. Now I am fit, muscled and mostly lean and I would like to keep it that way while growing further.
You advise me, like everyone else I behold, to use test enanthate in combination with nolva in case of gyno signs and as a PCT I presume, but what about water all over the body? If I start to get a "water boy" is there anything available to get rid of it while bulking?

Thank you in any case for your previous response.

**SkyDiver73** · 09-07-2008, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by bbuilder

Test only or with some EQ would be a good first cycle.

Save the Tren for later.

Thanking you for your reply I ask the same question:
what about water ritention? none of you seem to care about it and I do not understand the reason?

**bbuilder** · 09-07-2008, 12:24 PM

You won't hold that much water doing Test. A little, but why are you worried about a little water weight?

**SkyDiver73** · 09-07-2008, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by bbuilder

You won't hold that much water doing Test. A little, but why are you worried about a little water weight?

Don't take me wrong, if the water ends up in the arms, legs, back is fine to me, no big deal. What I cannot accept is to have water in my tummy and hang around with a soft belly. I do have abdominals well visible and I want to grow in that way.
I have met many bodybuilders much bigger and stronger than I am but all of them could not stand close to my body naked because simply their "abdominal floor" was totally covered and their bellies swollen.

What I wish, is perhaps a dream that everyone has but it is in reality unachievable?
Thank you

**bbuilder** · 09-07-2008, 12:36 PM

You aren't going to hold that much water.

If you do, up your cardio. When you diet, Test will help you to hold on to your muscle and not lose much while losing fat.

If you want to bulk up, then you need to possibly lose the abs, put on some weight (muscle), and then start a cutting cycle.

You cannot be cut, and try to gain muscle. It's one or the other.

**SkyDiver73** · 09-07-2008, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by bbuilder

You aren't going to hold that much water.

If you do, up your cardio. When you diet, Test will help you to hold on to your muscle and not lose much while losing fat.

If you want to bulk up, then you need to possibly lose the abs, put on some weight (muscle), and then start a cutting cycle.

You cannot be cut, and try to gain muscle. It's one or the other.

I see, and that makes very sad!

The test you suggested costs about 8 USD per vial of 250mg/ml, is that possible? It is like taking a coffe in Via Veneto.
http://www.****labsgear.com/products...one_enanthate/

Regarding the PCT, would you use nolva or clomid? and two weeks are fine?
Thank you

**Nitro29** · 09-07-2008, 12:49 PM

cant discuss prices bro

**bbuilder** · 09-07-2008, 12:49 PM

Clomid for 2 weeks are ok for me, but for some you might need it longer.

**bbuilder** · 09-07-2008, 12:50 PM

ps...............what is your age, stats. Diet, etc.

**SkyDiver73** · 09-07-2008, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Nitro29

cant discuss prices bro

sorry I did not know yet.

**SkyDiver73** · 09-07-2008, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by bbuilder

ps...............what is your age, stats. Diet, etc.

Age 35
215 lbs, 6'1, 15%

I eat 20oz of chicken per day, 3oz of fats, 30oz of carbs plus BCAA, gluta, C vitamin, and powder proteins (soy, whey...).
I train 5 days a week, each day a different muscle but biceps and triceps together.

**bbuilder** · 09-07-2008, 12:59 PM

Looks good except for 30oz of carbs?

Only thing I'd recommend is adding in cardio. For your heart and lungs, as well as getting you a little leaner. I try to stay around 10% year round, then when I compete I get as low as I can.

**SkyDiver73** · 09-07-2008, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by bbuilder

Looks good except for 30oz of carbs?

Only thing I'd recommend is adding in cardio. For your heart and lungs, as well as getting you a little leaner. I try to stay around 10% year round, then when I compete I get as low as I can.

Are you able to stay at 10 year round using test? If I understood correctly, it is a good situation to me.
Why 30oz of carbs is not good for you? to much I belive right? but whitout energy muscles won't grow!

**VWbug66** · 09-07-2008, 04:20 PM

na you wont hold so much water that you'll look like crap..just a tid tad, not much at all, trust me, you'll be very happy with urself on the test cycle..youll feel like a little kid on christmas!

**SkyDiver73** · 09-08-2008, 06:36 AM

Since all of you, surely more experienced than me, keep suggesting the same thing, I would be an idiot by ignorating it.
So, I am going for tes and letro in case of gyno, nolva or clomid for PCT.

Thank you all

PS
Do you know if this lab is ok to purchase from?
(N...a H....s, Greece)

**VWbug66** · 09-08-2008, 05:54 PM

not sure about that, it doesn't sound familiar..
but i'm glad you listened to us! you'll be very happy with the cycle! good luck, and let us know how it goes

**wickid1111** · 09-08-2008, 09:51 PM

well its like any other drug man. your body gets used to it. test will hit u hard. tren will be too much for you. after many cycles u will want somthing more powerful. then do tren

**SkyDiver73** · 09-10-2008, 05:53 AM

Ciao guys,

I was wondering if any of you could give me a suggestion.
I read what "C Bino" wrote in 2005 regarding gyno but after reading your last posts I have a doubt.

Till today I always trained naturally by taking some supplements as well as proteins.
Lastly, while using them I felt almost every days itchy nipples and I just read it could be a possible gyno side effect.
In my case, I did not even start any cycle so when I do I will probably experience it, unfortunately!

What do you suggest me to do, to start the cycle with test (only) and wait and in case of gyno using letro, or directly add nolva or clomid during the cycle? or something else?

Thank you for taking my case into account