whole good natural base thing myth?

[Alex Rodriguez]

honestly i think the natural base thing is a myth, i think it only seems that way cuz many of the people who don't start out with a good base, dont have good work ethic/dieting info, knowledge of steroids , etc on bodybuilding.

i really think that anyone with perhaps no bodybuilding experience, and hires a personal trainer for instance does a good diet, good workout , if hes taking aas and has basic knowledge, u know kickstart steroid , with test e, and pct as clomid afterwards is still going to benefit more then natty, i mean where is the proof in this?

honestly i've read tons of these posts b4, and all i've ever heard is, it won't work... ur natty, you don't have a good base, it'll all go back, blah blah blah..

look guys, i don't think u can really say, that a guy whos never trained b4, but hires a personal trainer, follows strict diet, has decent knowledge on steroids; kick start roid, clomid, etc is going to gain about as much if he was in the same situation, but didn't take the roids. my gut tells me that the guy who took the roids, is going to gain considerably more muscles even with the leftover keep gains.

honestly i know i might have a few flames, and prolly a lot of disagreements and a helluva alota disagreements/aggrements for this, but honestly the whole dude why start roids when ur still natty wait till ur peak, doesn't make sense to me..

look guys, no one really needs to bodybuild unless working construction, bouncer, sports, etc..

we all take juice cuz we like to and we want the gains now and quicker,

people who haven't reached their peak are doing the same thing.

so why do we always gotta bust the dudes balls who hired the personal trainer, followed the diet, did the workout, and took the juice?

btw, i don't think roids can kill u or totally deplete ur testosterone permentaly if u know what ur doing

[LivingToBeBig]

I can tell you 1st hand one problem, My friend saw me and my workout partner juicing and really wanted to do it, he had only been working out for 6 months. I told him no way and he should workout at least a year and get his diet sorted but my workout mate said well do it if u want.

So any way he did tbol 50mg and he ended up going to hospital with an injury because his strength was going too quickly for his body and couldnt handle the extra weight.

[Booz]

honestly i think the natural base thing is a myth, i think it only seems that way cuz many of the people who don't start out with a good base, dont have good work ethic/dieting info, knowledge of steroids , etc on bodybuilding.

i really think that anyone with perhaps no bodybuilding experience, and hires a personal trainer for instance does a good diet, good workout , if hes taking aas and has basic knowledge, u know kickstart steroid , with test e, and pct as clomid afterwards is still going to benefit more then natty, i mean where is the proof in this?

honestly i've read tons of these posts b4, and all i've ever heard is, it won't work... ur natty, you don't have a good base, it'll all go back, blah blah blah..

look guys, i don't think u can really say, that a guy whos never trained b4, but hires a personal trainer, follows strict diet, has decent knowledge on steroids; kick start roid, clomid, etc is going to gain about as much if he was in the same situation, but didn't take the roids. my gut tells me that the guy who took the roids, is going to gain considerably more muscles even with the leftover keep gains.

honestly i know i might have a few flames, and prolly a lot of disagreements and a helluva alota disagreements/aggrements for this, but honestly the whole dude why start roids when ur still natty wait till ur peak, doesn't make sense to me..

look guys, no one really needs to bodybuild unless working construction, bouncer, sports, etc..

we all take juice cuz we like to and we want the gains now and quicker,

people who haven't reached their peak are doing the same thing.

so why do we always gotta bust the dudes balls who hired the personal trainer, followed the diet, did the workout, and took the juice?

btw, i don't think roids can kill u or totally deplete ur testosterone permentaly if u know what ur doing

no one has said that you will not build muscles if you havent been training for X amount of time at all,just that its easier to hold on to the extra muscle when you have a solid base to start with............
otherwise more than likely after you come off you will be a skinny runt again..........
you need to know how to train how to eat and rest...........
you need to be dedicated in what you do and that takes time not 5 mins into the world of bodybuilding..........
jmo.............

[0tolerance]

yea, if you want a tablet... or needle that is going to make u superhuman from doing little work, then its thoughs people who either need a very good set of genetics or a doctor on standbye for when their tear every ligament off the bone.

but i dont believe its a myth...
i know some giants that are all genetics and a good base.
they are 240lbs+ at the age of 18 with bf inthe 7-10% range...
their families are all massive aswell.

and i know other unlucky people who are 6ft 3 and 110lbs and couldnt gain more than another 30 or so pounds of muscle even with steroids .

[XNathan]

IMO you shouldnt start roids before few years of training becouse you learn how to train, eat and rest.. Iam repeating same think like guys before me, but after this time you can use ASS with maximum benefits.

For me is good base just experience in gym and education in training, diet. Other thinks like age, weight are not so importat becouse when you allready know how train, eat and rest you definetly reach your natural limits.

[*ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*]

i think youve misinterpreted the reasoning behind having a good base behind you, a good base sets you up well for the future and (i.e starting a cycle) and helps you achieve more whilst on cycle as you know how to train how to eat and how to grow. Basically if you can achieve great gains naturally imagine what you can do when you start steroids . Just my 0.02

[LATS60]

i think youve misinterpreted the reasoning behind having a good base behind you, a good base sets you up well for the future and (i.e starting a cycle) and helps you achieve more whilst on cycle as you know how to train how to eat and how to grow. Basically if you can achieve great gains naturally imagine what you can do when you start steroids. Just my 0.02

I agree, the OP seems to have either totally misinterpreted these posts or, more likely twisting them to prove his own point (god that happens soooo often).

[Alex Rodriguez]

no one has said that you will not build muscles if you havent been training for X amount of time at all,just that its easier to hold on to the extra muscle when you have a solid base to start with............
otherwise more than likely after you come off you will be a skinny runt again..........
you need to know how to train how to eat and rest...........
you need to be dedicated in what you do and that takes time not 5 mins into the world of bodybuilding..........
jmo.............

even then with the leftover gains after ur finish ur pct, i still think on average it would be considerably more mass then someone who didn't take roids.

[Big]

We need to consider that if an individual with limited training history just woke up with an additional 20lbs of muscle and hit the gym, there would almost certainly be connective tissue damage soon following. Training builds the body as a whole, where steroids in most cases only build muscle. The "good natural base" is, among other things, a good way to make sure the body is prepared for the added muscle.
Also as stated, it is an indicator of discipline. If someone could not approach their natural potential without steroids, it's likely that once the cycle is over the discipline will also taper. This is not always the case, but more often than not it is.

[Crest]

in theory if you know how to train and eat properly and do a cycle while not at your peak you will keep more gains than somebody at their peak who runs a cycle ....

[A&FGuy]

no one has said that you will not build muscles if you havent been training for X amount of time at all,just that its easier to hold on to the extra muscle when you have a solid base to start with............
otherwise more than likely after you come off you will be a skinny runt again..........
you need to know how to train how to eat and rest...........
you need to be dedicated in what you do and that takes time not 5 mins into the world of bodybuilding..........
jmo.............

Couldnt have said it better, dedication is key.

[Dog-Slime]

The reasoning is... With improper diet and/or training you will not keep keep your gains... Someone that has a good base knows how to eat and train (normally). But yes if someone who is dedicated with their diet and training takes steroids they will get good results regardless of their base.