tren/ prop disappointment follow up

**Yankeebstrd** · 09-23-2008, 04:12 PM

A few days ago I posted that my cycle was yielding disappointing results and asked advice on the culprit. I decided to drop the aromisin and propecia. And a few days later (2 maybe) Its kicked back in. My libido is back. And size, strength and motivation are where they should be. Not likely a plecebo effect. So now I'm asking, too much AI or propecia. I'd like some opinions...Thanks.

100mgs tren ed
100 mgs prop ed
20 mgs aromisin ed
1 mg propecia ed

**TallMan** · 09-24-2008, 12:24 PM

It's probably the propecia.

**BUDGIE** · 09-24-2008, 01:29 PM

ive got to agree. ive been on propecia for 1year now however due to circumstances i stopped taking about 6wk ago and ive got to admit my gains are getting a lot better

**"Maximus"** · 09-24-2008, 01:39 PM

Could be the propecia, but that Aromasin on cycle could potentially be the reason why the small gains/lack of motivation on cycle. Though it's low, still could be it.

**Reed** · 09-24-2008, 02:58 PM

Probably a combination of both. Hard to tell though. The aromasin dropping your estrogen levels by as much as 80%. And the propecia blocking DHT which is actually more potent than testosterone . Its a tricky subject

**Dizz28** · 09-24-2008, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

Probably a combination of both. Hard to tell though. The aromasin dropping your estrogen levels by as much as 80%. And the propecia blocking DHT which is actually more anabolic than testosterone. Its a tricky subject

Good explaination, probably the case

**Reed** · 09-24-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Dizz28

Good explaination, probably the case

Yes but poor choice of words on my part, I meant potent not anabolic .

**Yankeebstrd** · 09-24-2008, 03:36 PM

any recommendations on reintroducing either compound at a lesser dosage or eod??

**JiGGaMaN** · 09-24-2008, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

Yes but poor choice of words on my part, I meant potent not anabolic.

If that were the case you could cycle proviron and get great gains.

**WARMachine** · 09-24-2008, 03:41 PM

^ lmao

**Reed** · 09-24-2008, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

If that were the case you could cycle proviron and get great gains.

Yes I realize my mistake thats why i corrected, eating and typing on the computer is a bad combo

**Reed** · 09-24-2008, 03:52 PM

Let me explain better:
DHT is a stronger androgen and binds to the receptor 3-5 times more strong than testosterone . Blocking the formation of DHT cause in some individuals to have significantly reduced performance effects. More than likely it is caused by the reduction of androgenic effects in other parts of the body that contribute to the ergogenic effects, specially the CNS, which is stimulated by androgens to increase neural output leading to greater strength and recoverability.

There you happy

**WARMachine** · 09-24-2008, 03:56 PM

**Reed** · 09-24-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

I gotta quit eating while typing, these seems to happen alot. TV is on, food in my mouth, trying to formulate thoughts, doesn't work

**WARMachine** · 09-24-2008, 04:00 PM

Too much buffalo meat... haha

Dude i tracked down a place that sells it. They want 6.99 a pound! I was like "I can eat top sirloin steak for that!"

**DS21** · 09-24-2008, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

Let me explain better:
DHT is a stronger androgen and binds to the receptor 3-5 times more strong than testosterone . Blocking the formation of DHT cause in some individuals to have significantly reduced performance effects. More than likely it is caused by the reduction of androgenic effects in other parts of the body that contribute to the ergogenic effects, specially the CNS, which is stimulated by androgens to increase neural output leading to greater strength and recoverability.

There you happy

I didn't know that was a word, I'm just messing with you, great post!

**Drake Hotel** · 09-24-2008, 04:04 PM

Conclusion: Androgens rule!

Yankeebstrd: Only introduce them again if you're experiencing androgenic or estrogenic side effects.

**DS21** · 09-24-2008, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by DS21

I didn't know that was a word, I'm just messing with you, great post!

My bad i just looked it up and it is a word, I thought you made it up, I always use recovery.

**WARMachine** · 09-24-2008, 04:08 PM

.... Dont you know my boy is super smart?

**Reed** · 09-24-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Yankeebstrd

any recommendations on reintroducing either compound at a lesser dosage or eod??

Again as stated, it is very tricky. I assume your using the propecia due to the history of male pattern baldness in your family correct?? DHT has anti-estrogen effects and blocking DHT can cause increased estrogen. And now you know that estrogen is more about control than anything so you don't want to reduce your levels by 80%. See this is where blood work is so handy. You can check your estradiol and you can also get your DHT levels checked. I can't give you any sure-fire way of knowing what will happen. Maybe others can chime in and offer you in sight on their experiences with different doses. There are studies that say there is a significant drop in DHT from just 0.2mg of finasteride. Look into arimidex or lowering the dose of the aromasin as well.
Sorry I can't be more of a help