has anyone ever lost bf on cycle?

**daniel_3855** · 10-13-2008, 01:55 PM

has anyone ever lost bf on cycle? what was you on.

does anyone think its possible to get from 15%-11% on a var and test e cycle with proper diet?

**god-send** · 10-13-2008, 01:57 PM

yes if your diet is great you can drop body fat and gains a good ammount of lean size.

diet and cardio = fat loss

**Freakish** · 10-13-2008, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by daniel_3855

has anyone ever lost bf on cycle? what was you on.

does anyone think its possible to get from 15%-11% on a var and test e cycle with proper diet?

it pretty much the only reason i cycle,so i can get down to 6%bf while gaining a few pounds

but your diet and training have to be in check

**mx3** · 10-13-2008, 02:01 PM

you could drop 4%bf without cycling the main reason for cycling while cutting is to maintain muscle mass with a calorie dificiency. so the answer to your question is yes.

**Roshambo** · 10-13-2008, 02:02 PM

bump

**Freakish** · 10-13-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Roshambo

bump

why would you bump a thread thats already at the top lol

**JiGGaMaN** · 10-13-2008, 02:31 PM

yeah, you can drop bf just by virtue of gaining muscle. unless you are a total slob you should be able to drop bf without doing much at all.

**michael tyson** · 10-13-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

yeah, you can drop bf just by virtue of gaining muscle. unless you are a total slob you should be able to drop bf without doing much at all.

based on your picture, you need to drop some bf

**JiGGaMaN** · 10-13-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by kchrist

based on your picture, you need to drop some bf

tell me about it.

**WARMachine** · 10-13-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by daniel_3855

has anyone ever lost bf on cycle? what was you on.

does anyone think its possible to get from 15%-11% on a var and test e cycle with proper diet?

Can you lose BF% on cycle? Yes.

Is it possible to drop 4%BF from Var and Test E? Doubtful, unless that diet is SPOT on, which it doesnt seem to be considering youre starting at 15%.

What does your diet look like?

**daniel_3855** · 10-14-2008, 12:59 PM

this is my diet. pro/carb/fat

8.00- whey shake, cup of oats with a litle semi milk. 40/40/?

11.00- can of tuna, 1 tbs flax oil. 30/1/14

2.00- can of tuna, 1 tbs flax oil. 30/1/14

3.00 workout
pwo whey shake. 40/?/?

6.00. 8oz chicken with brown rice. 40/40/?

9.30-10.00. casien shake. 30/?/?

total around. 210/80/40

i would like to add 1 slice of whole weat bread with the 2 tuna meals?? just something to wrap the tuna in. yes or no?

i would add 1 extra meal if wasnt working and swap the tuna meals with chicken and vegs but i cant as iam always working so need something that i can chuck dowm my neck fast.

on sat and sunday i have around 250/100/60.

**jstraw428** · 10-14-2008, 01:14 PM

What are your stats......That meal plan seems a bit lacking, even if you are cutting.....

**inky-e** · 10-14-2008, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by daniel_3855

has anyone ever lost bf on cycle? what was you on.

does anyone think its possible to get from 15%-11% on a var and test e cycle with proper diet?

During the process of my weight loss I cycled and went steadily down from 20 ish % to 12 % ...all depends on diet training and lots of cardio.

**daniel_3855** · 10-14-2008, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by jstraw428

What are your stats......That meal plan seems a bit lacking, even if you are cutting.....

15%bf
age 24
5ft9

12 stone, thinks that around 175lbs.

what if i add the whole weat bread 1 slice in each tuna meal.?

**jstraw428** · 10-14-2008, 02:24 PM

That is still very lacking bro........i dont think i got that low on carbs until maybe the week before competition....

What are you goals for this cycle.....what do you want to accomplish...

**legobricks** · 10-14-2008, 02:32 PM

your diet is lacking carbohydrates and protein.

I would add more carbs in like potatoes, oatmeal, brown rice, yams, lentils

Also for protein stick with lean cuts of beef, chicken, egg whites, tuna, etc...

Visit the diet section and youll get a good idea of what to eat and when. Cutting happens from diet (yes true the more muscle you gain the more fat you burn...it goes hand in hand but the main part is diet). Trust me, i did not figure this out until i actually went thru a cutting cycle with diet alone no AAS. When i started AAS i upped my protein and carbs and kept fat lower and made great lean gains.

**legobricks** · 10-14-2008, 02:34 PM

also do not depend on protein shakes to give your body what it needs for protein intake. Shake PWO and that is it for me, sometimes if any before bed ill have a caesin shake, but this is all on top of the chicken beef and tuna i eat throughout the day and towards bed time.

**jstraw428** · 10-14-2008, 03:01 PM

I with Lego on this one.....shakes are a poor excuse for protein.....I made this mistake early on, whole foods are where it is at....

**sizerp** · 10-14-2008, 03:34 PM

Time to eat!

**40plusnewbie** · 10-14-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by daniel_3855

i would like to add 1 slice of whole weat bread with the 2 tuna meals?? just something to wrap the tuna in. yes or no?

Look into getting ezekiel bread. I picked up that advice on here given to a female preparing for contest from someone who trains pro's I think.

I eat it with pieces of chicken breast in a sandwhich sometimes. Dry, but nutrient rich.

**40plusnewbie** · 10-14-2008, 04:28 PM

Consider replacing the am shake with hard boiled egg whites (and drop the milk, eat the oats plain). I buy them 5 dozen at a time and go through them like water....

**Ashop** · 10-14-2008, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by daniel_3855

has anyone ever lost bf on cycle? what was you on.

does anyone think its possible to get from 15%-11% on a var and test e cycle with proper diet?

You should be able to reduce that amount easily and more if your dedicated with diet and training.

**Rugger02** · 10-14-2008, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by daniel_3855

this is my diet. pro/carb/fat

8.00- whey shake, cup of oats with a litle semi milk. 40/40/?

11.00- can of tuna, 1 tbs flax oil. 30/1/14

2.00- can of tuna, 1 tbs flax oil. 30/1/14

3.00 workout
pwo whey shake. 40/?/?

6.00. 8oz chicken with brown rice. 40/40/?

9.30-10.00. casien shake. 30/?/?

total around. 210/80/40

i would like to add 1 slice of whole weat bread with the 2 tuna meals?? just something to wrap the tuna in. yes or no?

i would add 1 extra meal if wasnt working and swap the tuna meals with chicken and vegs but i cant as iam always working so need something that i can chuck dowm my neck fast.

on sat and sunday i have around 250/100/60.

Here's an example of a diet that would work pretty good for your size and goals

Meal 1:
4 egg whites (including 1whole egg)
1 cup oats
Fish/flax oil (2 capsules)

Meal 2:
1 can of Albacore in water
Green veggies (steamed)
Sweet potato

Meal 3:
1 cup cooked brown rice with 4 oz chicken breast and broccoli mixed in

Meal 4:
Repeat meal 3, add flax/fish oil

Work out and Meal 5: (or whenever your workout falls during your day.)
PWO Shake

Meal 6:
Repeat meal 2 except remove sweet potato. Add some sunflower seeds or almonds and FF cottage cheese or casein shake before bed.

And never underestimate the value of cardio.

**tprop** · 10-14-2008, 08:15 PM

your diet posted is actually PERFECT!If you stick to this youll lose a pound per week and gain mass due to juice and if you want to get to 4% u have 2 choices run diet and cycle longer to get that low or have a deficit of 600-700 cals per day right now your at 500 per day to do this cut the fat intake down instead of other macros(carbs,pro).BTW it take a deficite of 3500 cals to lose 1 lb of body weight meaning fat or muscle depending on how you do it.If you fast you lose muscle which is why a max of 500 per day is recomemded for natural cutters but the max for juicing is 1000 but the max i reccomend is 700.So the tuna and what ever is not able to be added.

**daem** · 10-15-2008, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by tprop

your diet posted is actually PERFECT!If you stick to this youll lose a pound per week and gain mass due to juice and if you want to get to 4% u have 2 choices run diet and cycle longer to get that low or have a deficit of 600-700 cals per day right now your at 500 per day to do this cut the fat intake down instead of other macros(carbs,pro).BTW it take a deficite of 3500 cals to lose 1 lb of body weight meaning fat or muscle depending on how you do it.If you fast you lose muscle which is why a max of 500 per day is recomemded for natural cutters but the max for juicing is 1000 but the max i reccomend is 700.So the tuna and what ever is not able to be added.

What the hell are you talking about?

The original poster's diet will NOT get him to 4% bodyfat.

Rugger's revised diet is much better for a cutting goal while retaining mass. It's unlikely he will be able to drastically change his body composition in both ends of the spectrum.

He should be able to cut very well on Rugger's diet without losing mass, and that's most important here.

**daniel_3855** · 10-15-2008, 02:21 AM

thanks guys for the help.

my oats i eat are quaker oats, are they any good as they seem to have a lot of fat. ? http://www.quaker.co.uk/ProdQuakerOats.aspx

so can anyone tell me how much of pro/carb/fat i need per day. ie 200/80/50. so i need carbs for nearly every meal like ruggers.

then i can work on it and get shoping. will head for ruggers diet thanks again

**frank12391** · 10-15-2008, 03:08 AM

I know it was wrong now but then I was stupid. My first cycle was 400mg eq/week, 400test c/week, var 50mg/daily for 12 weeks and I was not even training, cardio, 18 miles of power walking a week, 50 push ups daily. Tons of green vegeis, plenty of red meat, chicken & fish, 2 slices of wholemeal bread & 1 cup brown rice daily & whey shakes without even measuring. I thought at the time I would try to loose body fat but I was too lazy to do any weights. In 3 months I put on at least 9 pounds and lost 3 inches off my waist line, put on 1/2 inch on my arms, 2 inches on my thighs & 1 inch on my calves?? My upper body changed shape to a nice V & some vascularity. I have kept the muscle but did put back on some b/f. I had managed to keep half of it off but the muscle gains I have not lost? On my second cycle, I worked out & did the same cycle with only half the results?? Dunno? I hope newbs don't try this. "NEWBS", DON"T DO THIS!!

**daniel_3855** · 10-15-2008, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by frank12391

I know it was wrong now but then I was stupid. My first cycle was 400mg eq/week, 400test c/week, var 50mg/daily for 12 weeks and I was not even training, cardio, 18 miles of power walking a week, 50 push ups daily. Tons of green vegeis, plenty of red meat, chicken & fish, 2 slices of wholemeal bread & 1 cup brown rice daily & whey shakes without even measuring. I thought at the time I would try to loose body fat but I was too lazy to do any weights. In 3 months I put on at least 9 pounds and lost 3 inches off my waist line, put on 1/2 inch on my arms, 2 inches on my thighs & 1 inch on my calves?? My upper body changed shape to a nice V & some vascularity. I have kept the muscle but did put back on some b/f. I had managed to keep half of it off but the muscle gains I have not lost? On my second cycle, I worked out & did the same cycle with only half the results?? Dunno? I hope newbs don't try this. "NEWBS", DON"T DO THIS!!

might ov been because it was your first cycle? duno

**Back In Black** · 10-15-2008, 04:51 AM

Dude you weigh 170lbs by my calculations. And eat about 1600 cals?!

You need to eat mate. I reckon you should be looking at P/C/F of approx 250/280/40. This gives 2500 calories. This is a minimum figure you.

Real food rocks, whey protein post workout, other than that there is no substitute for real food. Just be organised, pre cook your chicken and potatoes, eat cold, nice and quick.

**daniel_3855** · 10-17-2008, 07:35 AM

bump

**daniel_3855** · 10-17-2008, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by SteM

Dude you weigh 170lbs by my calculations. And eat about 1600 cals?!

You need to eat mate. I reckon you should be looking at P/C/F of approx 250/280/40. This gives 2500 calories. This is a minimum figure you.

Real food rocks, whey protein post workout, other than that there is no substitute for real food. Just be organised, pre cook your chicken and potatoes, eat cold, nice and quick.

more carbs then pro?? 280 carbs seems very high?????

**redz** · 10-17-2008, 08:22 AM

Losing 4% bf on cycle is not that hard, Cardio, diet and dedication is all it takes.

**Back In Black** · 10-18-2008, 04:44 AM

No not high at all on the carbs front. Don't be scared of carbs.

But you still need to answer 1 question, what are your goals? That will enable a more definitive answer.

**helium3** · 10-18-2008, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by daniel_3855

this is my diet. pro/carb/fat

8.00- whey shake, cup of oats with a litle semi milk. 40/40/?

11.00- can of tuna, 1 tbs flax oil. 30/1/14

2.00- can of tuna, 1 tbs flax oil. 30/1/14

3.00 workout
pwo whey shake. 40/?/?

6.00. 8oz chicken with brown rice. 40/40/?

9.30-10.00. casien shake. 30/?/?

total around. 210/80/40

i would like to add 1 slice of whole weat bread with the 2 tuna meals?? just something to wrap the tuna in. yes or no?

i would add 1 extra meal if wasnt working and swap the tuna meals with chicken and vegs but i cant as iam always working so need something that i can chuck dowm my neck fast.

on sat and sunday i have around 250/100/60.

id get another meat meal in there somewhere,try 2 tins of tuna at 11am and a chicken breast at 2pm then you should be ok. i dont see the need for more carbs unless you are doin loads of cardio or have a heavy job. prolly the whole wheat bread should cover any lack of carbs.although having some pre-workout wouldnt hurt.

**fit4ever180** · 10-18-2008, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by daem

what the hell are you talking about?

The original poster's diet will not get him to 4% bodyfat.

Rugger's revised diet is much better for a cutting goal while retaining mass. It's unlikely he will be able to drastically change his body composition in both ends of the spectrum.

He should be able to cut very well on rugger's diet without losing mass, and that's most important here.

^^^^agreed!!!