Abdominal injection

**FortKnox36** · 11-03-2008, 09:49 AM

Yoooooo,

My doc has me on some test cyp. He has me injecting twice a week (125mgs/week total) into the abssss...right into the lower body fat region. (not much fat there tho)

Anyways....I just got done jabbin and it felt harder than normal to pull the needle out..and then once i pulled it out i saw a little blood inside the syringe and i pushed real hard on the plunger and 2 drops of blood dripped out on my sink!

Well am I in for some flu like symptoms? Did I hit a blood vessel?

Oh and what do you guys think about injecting into my abs? I dont think I like it.... I use a 25g needle and its 1 inch long. I am seeing the doc tomorrow and I was thinking about suggesting another injection site.

Thanks doods,

C

**Kale** · 11-03-2008, 09:55 AM

Why the fvck has he got you injecting there. What a total idiot. Get him to read this then find another Dr. How To Inject

**scriptfactory** · 11-03-2008, 10:00 AM

You are asking for an abscess injecting into your belly fat...

**inky-e** · 11-03-2008, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by FortKnox36

Yoooooo,

My doc has me on some test cyp. He has me injecting twice a week (125mgs/week total) into the abssss...right into the lower body fat region. (not much fat there tho)

Anyways....I just got done jabbin and it felt harder than normal to pull the needle out..and then once i pulled it out i saw a little blood inside the syringe and i pushed real hard on the plunger and 2 drops of blood dripped out on my sink!

Well am I in for some flu like symptoms? Did I hit a blood vessel?

Oh and what do you guys think about injecting into my abs? I dont think I like it.... I use a 25g needle and its 1 inch long. I am seeing the doc tomorrow and I was thinking about suggesting another injection site.

Thanks doods,

C

Damn Bro!!! Did you do something to piss off your Dr.? I would never shoot there..even if the Pope would suggest me doing it....I'd jab him in the eye with the needle! lol Try glute, quad..delt...

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 11-03-2008, 10:04 AM

No reason not to pick other more suitable sites like quads or delts... for a doc to insist abs is complete stupidity on his part IMO

**FortKnox36** · 11-03-2008, 10:04 AM

Damn guys really???

Fck...well ive been doing this for like 6 weeks now!!!

So have I just been wasting this shit????

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 11-03-2008, 10:05 AM

^^^ nope; you've just been exposing yourself to unnecessary risk

**FortKnox36** · 11-03-2008, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by InsaneInTheMembrane

^^^ nope; you've just been exposing yourself to unnecessary risk

Can you point me in the direction where I can find out what kind of risks are associated with injecting into your lower abdominal region (belly fat)? PLEASE

I always thought that if you injected into your belly fat then you just slow down the absorption rate...but i could be totally wrong...

Thanksssss

**FortKnox36** · 11-03-2008, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by scriptfactory

you are asking for an abscess injecting into your belly fat...

whats abscess man?

**scriptfactory** · 11-03-2008, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by FortKnox36

whats abscess man?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscess

**FortKnox36** · 11-03-2008, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by scriptfactory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscess

Why would injecting into my abs increase the chance of that tho man? Wouldnt I have the same odds even if i injected into my glutes/delt/thigh?

I always use proper technique and am very sterile when it comes to this stuff.

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 11-03-2008, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by FortKnox36

I always thought that if you injected into your belly fat then you just slow down the absorption rate...but i could be totally wrong...

Thanksssss

script just helped you with the link

as for the above point; you said you had hardly any fat in the lower abs... with that plus a 1" needle, my bet is that you got it in the muscle alright... but 1" is hella deep for abs anywayz - the risk is just not abscesses but perforating past the ab wall (if you're as lean as u say and yours abs may be visible but not thick) and into the abdominal cavity!

**LATS60** · 11-03-2008, 10:24 AM

I know some ppl who were advised by their gp to use ab shots, 0.3-0.6ml is max, according to the "med proffession".

**abbot138** · 11-03-2008, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by InsaneInTheMembrane

script just helped you with the link

as for the above point; you said you had hardly any fat in the lower abs... with that plus a 1" needle, my bet is that you got it in the muscle alright... but 1" is hella deep for abs anywayz - the risk is just not abscesses but perforating past the ab wall (if you're as lean as u say and yours abs may be visible but not thick) and into the abdominal cavity!

Ouch! Yeah, thats what I was thinking. If you are gonna do abs (and you appear to be plenty lean enough to do them) use a 1/2 inch. But there are so many better sites, especially if your only doing once a week injections.

**FortKnox36** · 11-03-2008, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by InsaneInTheMembrane

script just helped you with the link

as for the above point; you said you had hardly any fat in the lower abs... with that plus a 1" needle, my bet is that you got it in the muscle alright... but 1" is hella deep for abs anywayz - the risk is just not abscesses but perforating past the ab wall (if you're as lean as u say and yours abs may be visible but not thick) and into the abdominal cavity!

no no no....not that lean man. When I said there isnt much fat there i meant there is still fat there. I got tested and am at 12 percent body fat.

Whenever I inject i believe i dont even get to my abs. I think today i actually did reach my ab wall and i think that is the reason that it was harder for me to pull it out.

So lets say for argument sake that I do usually inject into the belly fat (which I believe I do) is there an associated risk involved in that?????

Thanks guys,
C

**FortKnox36** · 11-03-2008, 10:31 AM

wHy do you guys think my doc even told me to inject into the abs??

Is he trying to be safe with not making it look as if I am doing it for body building reasons?

**FortKnox36** · 11-03-2008, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by LATS60

I know some ppl who were advised by their gp to use ab shots, 0.3-0.6ml is max, according to the "med proffession".

Yeah mine is .3 ml twice a week (200mg/ml bottle)

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 11-03-2008, 10:33 AM

as has been said, abscesses and possible infections - and yes, your gear is rendered ineffective for all intents and purposes... some might get reabsorbed, some just stays there for too long to matter ... it's a toss up

just switch sites and be done with the dilemma once and for all

**abbot138** · 11-03-2008, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by InsaneInTheMembrane

as has been said, abscesses and possible infections - and yes, your gear is rendered ineffective for all intents and purposes... some might get reabsorbed, some just stays there for too long to matter ... it's a toss up

just switch sites and be done with the dilemma once and for all

Agreed. Im a TRT patient as well and at the price Im assuming you pay for the Cyp, I wouldnt want to waste a single drop. Stick it in your butt.

**FortKnox36** · 11-03-2008, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by InsaneInTheMembrane

as has been said, abscesses and possible infections - and yes, your gear is rendered ineffective for all intents and purposes... some might get reabsorbed, some just stays there for too long to matter ... it's a toss up

just switch sites and be done with the dilemma once and for all

Yea I agree man, I am def gonna talk to the doc about switchin sites. I want to know more about how it is absorbed though...I need something to bring to the table when I see this guy tomorrow. You say some of it just stays there for too long to matter. Do you mean that the cyp just sits in my belly fat and doesnt get absorbed?

Is there a source/thread that you know of that can clue me in on some of this information?

Thanks

**abbot138** · 11-03-2008, 11:45 AM

How To Inject
Subcutaneous injection of AAS

Couple threads that debate it. Like I said for me it just comes down to, its not worth it. In most cases, someone shoots Sub-C because they have a fear of needles and want to use an insulin needle. But if you are using a 1inch needle anyway, you might as well go IM. More of the Cyp will get absorbed and you will eliminate the chance of develeoping an abcess.

**scriptfactory** · 11-03-2008, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by FortKnox36

Yea I agree man, I am def gonna talk to the doc about switchin sites. I want to know more about how it is absorbed though...I need something to bring to the table when I see this guy tomorrow. You say some of it just stays there for too long to matter. Do you mean that the cyp just sits in my belly fat and doesnt get absorbed?

Is there a source/thread that you know of that can clue me in on some of this information?

Thanks

The cyp is made to be injected intramuscularly. If injected subcutaneously, from what I understand, it won't be absorbed as readily which causes it to sit in the fat, which causes the body to view it as an "attack". This means it tries to fight the attack with pus...hence the abscess.

**HORSE~** · 11-03-2008, 12:02 PM

I think that for trt sub Q is OK but I don't think that it is possible to safely inject the volume required for BB sub Q....

Here is a article I ran across a while back....

There's a wave of guys that are giving themselves their HRT by way of subcutaneous injections:

1: Saudi Med J. 2006 Dec;27(12):1843-6.Links
Subcutaneous administration of testosterone . A pilot study report.
Al-Futaisi AM, Al-Zakwani IS, Almahrezi AM, Morris D.

Department of Medicine, College of Medicine & Health Sciences, Sultan Qaboos University, Muscat, Oman. [email protected]

OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of low doses of subcutaneous testosterone in hypogonadal men since the intramuscular route, which is the most widely used form of testosterone replacement therapy, is inconvenient to many patients. METHODS: All men with primary and secondary hypogonadism attending the reproductive endocrine clinic at Royal Victoria Hospital, Monteral, Quebec, Canada, were invited to participate in the study. Subjects were enrolled from January 2002 till December 2002. Patients were asked to self-administer weekly low doses of testosterone enanthate using 0.5 ml insulin syringe. RESULTS: A total of 22 patients were enrolled in the study. The mean trough was 14.48 +/- 3.14 nmol/L and peak total testosterone was 21.65 +/- 7.32 nmol/L. For the free testosterone the average trough was 59.94 +/- 20.60 pmol/L and the peak was 85.17 +/- 32.88 pmol/L. All of the patients delivered testosterone with ease and no local reactions were reported. CONCLUSION: Therapy with weekly subcutaneous testosterone produced serum levels that were within the normal range in 100% of patients for both peak and trough levels. This is the first report, which demonstrated the efficacy of delivering weekly testosterone using this cheap, safe, and less painful subcutaneous route.

PMID: 17143361 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED
WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE
INJECTIONS
M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang
Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University,
Hamilton, ON, Canada
Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement
has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide
variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous
(SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however,
its physiological effects are unclear. We therefore investigated
the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using
SC therapy. Patients and methods: Between May and
September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving
10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism.
Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for
41 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with
testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL
200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior
abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated
to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks.
Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration
is not officially approved by Health Canada. T
levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection
during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection
in week 6 and 8. At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels
were measured however; the week 12 data are still being
collected. Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T
was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit
0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During
the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in
pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l
(p¼0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T
(25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1
(27.46+12.91 nmol/l). Patients tolerated this therapy with
no adverse effects. Conclusions: A once-week SC injection
of 50–100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and
stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers
fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of
medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term
clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further
evaluation.

**MaThEw** · 11-03-2008, 12:09 PM

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**abbot138** · 11-03-2008, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by MaThEw

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She's a man baby, yeahhhh!!! Did I really just drop an Austin Powers reference, lol......Nice read Horse.

**Kale** · 11-03-2008, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by abbot138

She's a man baby, yeahhhh!!! Did I really just drop an Austin Powers reference, lol......Nice read Horse.

No she isnt dude , she is all woman. She is my ex GF. The other Avi I just had was a guy

**abbot138** · 11-03-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

No that one , she is all woman dude. She is my ex GF.

Ohhhhh, thats right, I forgot you changed your avi. My mistake

Yeah she's really hot.

**higherdesire** · 11-03-2008, 04:53 PM

I might be missing somethng here, but why would you have blood left in the tube after your injection? Don't you check prior to injection, and then afterwards its empty? It can't draw back up into the deal by itself afterwards can it?