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    Abdominal injection

    Yoooooo,

    My doc has me on some test cyp. He has me injecting twice a week (125mgs/week total) into the abssss...right into the lower body fat region. (not much fat there tho)

    Anyways....I just got done jabbin and it felt harder than normal to pull the needle out..and then once i pulled it out i saw a little blood inside the syringe and i pushed real hard on the plunger and 2 drops of blood dripped out on my sink!

    Well am I in for some flu like symptoms? Did I hit a blood vessel?

    Oh and what do you guys think about injecting into my abs? I dont think I like it.... I use a 25g needle and its 1 inch long. I am seeing the doc tomorrow and I was thinking about suggesting another injection site.

    Thanks doods,

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    Why the fvck has he got you injecting there. What a total idiot. Get him to read this then find another Dr. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=343692

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    You are asking for an abscess injecting into your belly fat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FortKnox36 View Post
    Yoooooo,

    My doc has me on some test cyp. He has me injecting twice a week (125mgs/week total) into the abssss...right into the lower body fat region. (not much fat there tho)

    Anyways....I just got done jabbin and it felt harder than normal to pull the needle out..and then once i pulled it out i saw a little blood inside the syringe and i pushed real hard on the plunger and 2 drops of blood dripped out on my sink!

    Well am I in for some flu like symptoms? Did I hit a blood vessel?

    Oh and what do you guys think about injecting into my abs? I dont think I like it.... I use a 25g needle and its 1 inch long. I am seeing the doc tomorrow and I was thinking about suggesting another injection site.

    Thanks doods,

    C
    Damn Bro!!! Did you do something to piss off your Dr.? I would never shoot there..even if the Pope would suggest me doing it....I'd jab him in the eye with the needle! lol Try glute, quad..delt...

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    No reason not to pick other more suitable sites like quads or delts... for a doc to insist abs is complete stupidity on his part IMO

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    Damn guys really???

    Fck...well ive been doing this for like 6 weeks now!!!

    So have I just been wasting this shit????

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    ^^^ nope; you've just been exposing yourself to unnecessary risk

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneInTheMembrane View Post
    ^^^ nope; you've just been exposing yourself to unnecessary risk
    Can you point me in the direction where I can find out what kind of risks are associated with injecting into your lower abdominal region (belly fat)? PLEASE


    I always thought that if you injected into your belly fat then you just slow down the absorption rate...but i could be totally wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory View Post
    you are asking for an abscess injecting into your belly fat...
    whats abscess man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FortKnox36 View Post
    whats abscess man?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscess

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory View Post
    Why would injecting into my abs increase the chance of that tho man? Wouldnt I have the same odds even if i injected into my glutes/delt/thigh?

    I always use proper technique and am very sterile when it comes to this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FortKnox36 View Post


    I always thought that if you injected into your belly fat then you just slow down the absorption rate...but i could be totally wrong...

    Thanksssss
    script just helped you with the link

    as for the above point; you said you had hardly any fat in the lower abs... with that plus a 1" needle, my bet is that you got it in the muscle alright... but 1" is hella deep for abs anywayz - the risk is just not abscesses but perforating past the ab wall (if you're as lean as u say and yours abs may be visible but not thick) and into the abdominal cavity!

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    I know some ppl who were advised by their gp to use ab shots, 0.3-0.6ml is max, according to the "med proffession".

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneInTheMembrane View Post
    script just helped you with the link

    as for the above point; you said you had hardly any fat in the lower abs... with that plus a 1" needle, my bet is that you got it in the muscle alright... but 1" is hella deep for abs anywayz - the risk is just not abscesses but perforating past the ab wall (if you're as lean as u say and yours abs may be visible but not thick) and into the abdominal cavity!
    Ouch! Yeah, thats what I was thinking. If you are gonna do abs (and you appear to be plenty lean enough to do them) use a 1/2 inch. But there are so many better sites, especially if your only doing once a week injections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneInTheMembrane View Post
    script just helped you with the link

    as for the above point; you said you had hardly any fat in the lower abs... with that plus a 1" needle, my bet is that you got it in the muscle alright... but 1" is hella deep for abs anywayz - the risk is just not abscesses but perforating past the ab wall (if you're as lean as u say and yours abs may be visible but not thick) and into the abdominal cavity!
    no no no....not that lean man. When I said there isnt much fat there i meant there is still fat there. I got tested and am at 12 percent body fat.

    Whenever I inject i believe i dont even get to my abs. I think today i actually did reach my ab wall and i think that is the reason that it was harder for me to pull it out.

    So lets say for argument sake that I do usually inject into the belly fat (which I believe I do) is there an associated risk involved in that?????

    Thanks guys,
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    wHy do you guys think my doc even told me to inject into the abs??

    Is he trying to be safe with not making it look as if I am doing it for body building reasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LATS60 View Post
    I know some ppl who were advised by their gp to use ab shots, 0.3-0.6ml is max, according to the "med proffession".
    Yeah mine is .3 ml twice a week (200mg/ml bottle)

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    as has been said, abscesses and possible infections - and yes, your gear is rendered ineffective for all intents and purposes... some might get reabsorbed, some just stays there for too long to matter ... it's a toss up

    just switch sites and be done with the dilemma once and for all

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneInTheMembrane View Post
    as has been said, abscesses and possible infections - and yes, your gear is rendered ineffective for all intents and purposes... some might get reabsorbed, some just stays there for too long to matter ... it's a toss up

    just switch sites and be done with the dilemma once and for all
    Agreed. Im a TRT patient as well and at the price Im assuming you pay for the Cyp, I wouldnt want to waste a single drop. Stick it in your butt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneInTheMembrane View Post
    as has been said, abscesses and possible infections - and yes, your gear is rendered ineffective for all intents and purposes... some might get reabsorbed, some just stays there for too long to matter ... it's a toss up

    just switch sites and be done with the dilemma once and for all
    Yea I agree man, I am def gonna talk to the doc about switchin sites. I want to know more about how it is absorbed though...I need something to bring to the table when I see this guy tomorrow. You say some of it just stays there for too long to matter. Do you mean that the cyp just sits in my belly fat and doesnt get absorbed?

    Is there a source/thread that you know of that can clue me in on some of this information?

    Thanks

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    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ous+injections
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ous+injections

    Couple threads that debate it. Like I said for me it just comes down to, its not worth it. In most cases, someone shoots Sub-C because they have a fear of needles and want to use an insulin needle. But if you are using a 1inch needle anyway, you might as well go IM. More of the Cyp will get absorbed and you will eliminate the chance of develeoping an abcess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FortKnox36 View Post
    Yea I agree man, I am def gonna talk to the doc about switchin sites. I want to know more about how it is absorbed though...I need something to bring to the table when I see this guy tomorrow. You say some of it just stays there for too long to matter. Do you mean that the cyp just sits in my belly fat and doesnt get absorbed?

    Is there a source/thread that you know of that can clue me in on some of this information?

    Thanks
    The cyp is made to be injected intramuscularly. If injected subcutaneously, from what I understand, it won't be absorbed as readily which causes it to sit in the fat, which causes the body to view it as an "attack". This means it tries to fight the attack with pus...hence the abscess.

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    I think that for trt sub Q is OK but I don't think that it is possible to safely inject the volume required for BB sub Q....

    Here is a article I ran across a while back....



    There's a wave of guys that are giving themselves their HRT by way of subcutaneous injections:

    1: Saudi Med J. 2006 Dec;27(12):1843-6.Links
    Subcutaneous administration of testosterone . A pilot study report.
    Al-Futaisi AM, Al-Zakwani IS, Almahrezi AM, Morris D.

    Department of Medicine, College of Medicine & Health Sciences, Sultan Qaboos University, Muscat, Oman. alfutaisi@squ.edu.om

    OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of low doses of subcutaneous testosterone in hypogonadal men since the intramuscular route, which is the most widely used form of testosterone replacement therapy, is inconvenient to many patients. METHODS: All men with primary and secondary hypogonadism attending the reproductive endocrine clinic at Royal Victoria Hospital, Monteral, Quebec, Canada, were invited to participate in the study. Subjects were enrolled from January 2002 till December 2002. Patients were asked to self-administer weekly low doses of testosterone enanthate using 0.5 ml insulin syringe. RESULTS: A total of 22 patients were enrolled in the study. The mean trough was 14.48 +/- 3.14 nmol/L and peak total testosterone was 21.65 +/- 7.32 nmol/L. For the free testosterone the average trough was 59.94 +/- 20.60 pmol/L and the peak was 85.17 +/- 32.88 pmol/L. All of the patients delivered testosterone with ease and no local reactions were reported. CONCLUSION: Therapy with weekly subcutaneous testosterone produced serum levels that were within the normal range in 100% of patients for both peak and trough levels. This is the first report, which demonstrated the efficacy of delivering weekly testosterone using this cheap, safe, and less painful subcutaneous route.

    PMID: 17143361 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]




    STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED
    WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE
    INJECTIONS
    M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang
    Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University,
    Hamilton, ON, Canada
    Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement
    has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide
    variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous
    (SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however,
    its physiological effects are unclear. We therefore investigated
    the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using
    SC therapy. Patients and methods: Between May and
    September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving
    10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism.
    Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for
    41 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with
    testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL
    200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior
    abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated
    to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks.
    Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration
    is not officially approved by Health Canada. T
    levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection
    during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection
    in week 6 and 8. At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels
    were measured however; the week 12 data are still being
    collected. Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T
    was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit
    0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During
    the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in
    pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l
    (p0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T
    (25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1
    (27.46+12.91 nmol/l). Patients tolerated this therapy with
    no adverse effects. Conclusions: A once-week SC injection
    of 50–100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and
    stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers
    fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of
    medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term
    clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further
    evaluation.

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    Kale, I dont know who the hell that thai girl is in your profile window but DAAAAMMM she's hot

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaThEw View Post
    Kale, I dont know who the hell that thai girl is in your profile window but DAAAAMMM she's hot
    She's a man baby, yeahhhh!!! Did I really just drop an Austin Powers reference, lol......Nice read Horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abbot138 View Post
    She's a man baby, yeahhhh!!! Did I really just drop an Austin Powers reference, lol......Nice read Horse.
    No she isnt dude , she is all woman. She is my ex GF. The other Avi I just had was a guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale View Post
    No that one , she is all woman dude. She is my ex GF.
    Ohhhhh, thats right, I forgot you changed your avi. My mistake Yeah she's really hot.

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    I might be missing somethng here, but why would you have blood left in the tube after your injection? Don't you check prior to injection, and then afterwards its empty? It can't draw back up into the deal by itself afterwards can it?

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