Cycle advice??

[power10er]

Weeks 1 - 10 Test Enan @ 500mg/wk
Weeks 1 - 10 EQ @ 400mg/wk

I am contemplating running Tren Enan or Clen but this is where I need suggestions cause I have never used either. I am wanting mass gains but I need to keep it as lean as possible. My last 2 cycles were t250 only and heavy on the doses so I had a lot of weight gain in addition to some incredible strength and muscle gains. I just cannot risk having people getting curious.

If you could fill me in a little on var and t3 if possible. Would either of these be good for me to sub or add??

My PCT...I stole this from one of the newbie posts. It makes great sense to me.
Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex[*]Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

[Mulciber]

eh the 300mg clomid the first day is rough.. screw that..
i use 100mg clomid and 20mg nolvadex for 30 days.. can get away with less as well.
like 100 for 2 weeks 50 for 2.. whatever..

id run the eq 12 weeks.. test 13

[power10er]

eh the 300mg clomid the first day is rough.. screw that..
i use 100mg clomid and 20mg nolvadex for 30 days.. can get away with less as well.
like 100 for 2 weeks 50 for 2.. whatever..

id run the eq 12 weeks.. test 13

I am really pumped about trying out tren as well. How would you add it into what I got so far?

[Mulciber]

me id run either the tren or EQ..
dont remember your cycle history but think tren should be added once you have a few solid cycles under your belt..

[power10er]

Also what about adding t3 for more cutting? Should that be during or at the end of the stack. Not real familiar with it also.

[Mulciber]

i run t3 all the way through cycles when i use it.

[Slin Ninja]

eq is a great drug for assisting you in weight gain as well as keeping a sharp look. it's also a good appetite stimulant, i plan to use in my next cycle. tren will require different ancillary usage, not quite for beginners...

[legobricks]

Seeing as how youve only ran 2 test cycles at 250mg per week i would up the EQ to 600mg as it is a mild substance and run it to at least week 12 if not week 13. (i started to notice the small results of EQ at week 9. Runt he test 1 week longer then the EQ and 2 weeks after that start ur PCT.

I would even bother with Tren enanthate yet as it is a harsh substance in which if you react negatively with it it will take a while to get outta your system in which tren ace is a better option. But for a 3rd cycle keep it simple. Test and EQ.

One last thing, Clen and Tren are TOTALLY different substances so you better read up a bit. Var you could add to the cycle for the first 6-8 weeks if you want but i think you would be happy with the EQ and test alone.

[legobricks]

Also if your looking for something not that noticable then Tren is def. not for you.

[power10er]

Also if your looking for something not that noticable then Tren is def. not for you.

Thanks for your help.

[power10er]

Seeing as how youve only ran 2 test cycles at 250mg per week i would up the EQ to 600mg as it is a mild substance and run it to at least week 12 if not week 13. (i started to notice the small results of EQ at week 9. Runt he test 1 week longer then the EQ and 2 weeks after that start ur PCT.

I would even bother with Tren enanthate yet as it is a harsh substance in which if you react negatively with it it will take a while to get outta your system in which tren ace is a better option. But for a 3rd cycle keep it simple. Test and EQ.

One last thing, Clen and Tren are TOTALLY different substances so you better read up a bit. Var you could add to the cycle for the first 6-8 weeks if you want but i think you would be happy with the EQ and test alone.

I have done 2 previous cycles. Both of t250 only but I started with 1cc for first wk and then 2cc for 6 weeks and then back to 1 for 4 weeks.
Not sure if that makes any difference but it is more than 250/week.

[power10er]

Also if your looking for something not that noticable then Tren is def. not for you.

What about the t3? Should I run it through the whole cycle? And will var help at all?

[legobricks]

I have done 2 previous cycles. Both of t250 only but I started with 1cc for first wk and then 2cc for 6 weeks and then back to 1 for 4 weeks.
Not sure if that makes any difference but it is more than 250/week.

Yeah you started out with 250mg per week, then bumped to 500mg per week and then back down to 250mg per week which is known as the pyramiding cycle and to be honest just creates more sides IMO. So basically you ran a light begginer cycle.

What about the t3? Should I run it through the whole cycle? And will var help at all?

t3 is nothing like tren . Tren is the most powerful substance you really can use effectively for muscle building. It has an anabolic to androgenic ratio of 500/500. Testosterone is only 100/100, so 5x as powerful as test. Tren will blow you up, but the gains are nice LBM gains IMO as ive seen many users get huge within 8-10 weeks of using it. Granted they didnt know what the hell they were doing with diet or the substance itself but still it is not a begginer substance. T3 is for fat burning which is apparently stronger then clen as it not only burns fat but also muscle so it is catabolic. That is why they recomend using an anabolic along side of it. The test and EQ cycle and Var if you must would be a great cycle for your goals IMHO. If you want to add clen then use it for PCT to cut any of the fat you may have gained while on cycle....which is diet dependant, eat like a slob then look like one....eat clean and look clean.

[power10er]

Yeah you started out with 250mg per week, then bumped to 500mg per week and then back down to 250mg per week which is known as the pyramiding cycle and to be honest just creates more sides IMO. So basically you ran a light begginer cycle.




t3 is nothing like tren. Tren is the most powerful substance you really can use effectively for muscle building. It has an anabolic to androgenic ratio of 500/500. Testosterone is only 100/100, so 5x as powerful as test. Tren will blow you up, but the gains are nice LBM gains IMO as ive seen many users get huge within 8-10 weeks of using it. Granted they didnt know what the hell they were doing with diet or the substance itself but still it is not a begginer substance. T3 is for fat burning which is apparently stronger then clen as it not only burns fat but also muscle so it is catabolic. That is why they recomend using an anabolic along side of it. The test and EQ cycle and Var if you must would be a great cycle for your goals IMHO. If you want to add clen then use it for PCT to cut any of the fat you may have gained while on cycle....which is diet dependant, eat like a slob then look like one....eat clean and look clean.

So you are saying DO NOT PYRAMID? Start with a dosage and stick with it?
Are you saying that I am not ready for tren ? Be honest because I want to be safe but I want to use the best. I have done a lot of research after my first 2 cycles and I am doing like I was told the first time. I am buying all my gear first for the complete cycle. PCT included. I am also getting my diet and BF% PERFECT before I begin. I don't want to waste the time and money and time again. I want to be able to put on some serious lean muscle gains and then continue my work out and maintain naturally. I know that my results will decrease significantly if I dont cycle again and that is why I wanna put on a lot this time.


Like I said I have done a lot of research and I have an idea about what I wanna do but I am a perfectionist and I have to have the opinions of the pros. Please take what I have and build me a cycle with and without the tren if you have time. I will go at least 12wks. See below


These are definites:
t250 Enan
eq250

These are my variables:
tren
t3
var
clen

[WARMachine]

You have no clue what you are doing from the looks of it.

There is nothing wrong with asking questions and looking for help. Thats what we are here for, but if you dont take the time to learn about what compounds you are thinking of taking, dont expect us to tell you everything.

My advice is to read up. Read the stickies in each section, ad drug profiles on the main site.


Also, i havent seen anyone else ask what your stats are?

age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

[Bossman]

Listen to Legobricks. He pretty much said, Tren is not for beginners and that's pretty much what you are, judging by your cycle history. There are many possible sides for Tren. I experienced many the first time I used it. It's also a good plan to use Tren Acetate for the first time. Acetate is a fast esther and if you are having any bad sides you can adjust the dose quickly or pull it out all together. Believe me, if you're having some bad sides, it sucks having to wait weeks for the enanthate to leave your system.

[power10er]

You have no clue what you are doing from the looks of it.

There is nothing wrong with asking questions and looking for help. Thats what we are here for, but if you dont take the time to learn about what compounds you are thinking of taking, dont expect us to tell you everything.

My advice is to read up. Read the stickies in each section, ad drug profiles on the main site.


Also, i havent seen anyone else ask what your stats are?

age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

Age 32
height 6'1"
weight 192lbs
bf% 14-16
diet 4-5 meals/day heavy on protein and pasta etc. I plan to cut carbs extremely and go even heavier on protein so I can cut
I have been working out for 4-5 years mostly cardio and circuit training weights. For the last 2 yrs I have gotten much heavier and focused on weights.
this will be my 3rd cycle. First 2 were both 12 wks of t250 Enan 2cc/wk and Winni tabs
I had no clue of PCT then but I have been reading a lot about it lately and I am going to stick with one of the PCT cycles i stole from one of the "Newbie" threads
My goals are: to add as much lean mass/muscle as possible. I want to bulk up and cut at the same time.

[power10er]

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