Winstrol alone

[vote for pedro]

Ok I know this is a total rookie question but here it goes. How bad is it to do a winstrol cycle alone? and why? ok go ahead and make fun of me if you want.

[inky-e]

Not gonna poke fun Bro....I did winnie solo...and had issues with my dick......took 2 weeks on prop to get back...so if you are smart do some test along with the winnie....I will say not everyone experiences that. The benefits of win/test was that I leaned out and got tight and shredded...diet is instrumental as well....

[HORSE~]

It can be ran by itself and you can make keep able gains but it is definitely better to be run with test....Winny will suppress your natural testosterone levels and may cause sexual dysfunction if ran without at least a trt level of test....Not all people will experience sexual problems running it as a stand alone aas but allot do....That being said I have ran winny by itself several times and never had an issue with it....The only way you will know if it will negatively effect you for sure or not is to try it and see....


What goals are you trying to achieve and why do you not want to use testosterone ??

Also give us your stats so that we can try to guide you in the right direction...If you can achieve your goals without aas I would strongly advise that you do so....No reason to take drugs and risk your health unless you have exhausted all other avenues IMO....

[vote for pedro]

Alright cool. I had some friends who did straight winny cycles and they got cut to all hell. Thats why I was asking. Also I always hear about the injections and never about the pills but I know where to get the pills and I would rather take pills cause I don't want to inject ed or eod. is it still taken the same as far as 50-100mgs and is it daily? I was thinking about doing maybe 8 weeks but I want to be sure first before I do anything

[vote for pedro]

Well, I'm 5'9" 195 32 y.o.been working out for the last 6 years. I don't mind taking test but I can only find Win right now. I'm just looking to cut some more. I won't be doing it for a bit because I start working with a nutritionist soon and I want to see how much that will help me out first but I would like to have a good idea once I get to that point.

[HORSE~]

Alright cool. I had some friends who did straight winny cycles and they got cut to all hell. Thats why I was asking. Also I always hear about the injections and never about the pills but I know where to get the pills and I would rather take pills cause I don't want to inject ed or eod. is it still taken the same as far as 50-100mgs and is it daily? I was thinking about doing maybe 8 weeks but I want to be sure first before I do anything

They got cut as hell by diet and training not by the winny....


Winny will help to a degree as far as hardening up and allow you to cut calories slightly below maintenance levels and not lose muscle....

If you are not concerned with the possible side effects and are dead set on running it by its self then 50 mg per day for 8 weeks followed by proper pct should be fine....


But like I said in my first post I strongly suggest that if you can attain your goals without drugs that you do so....No reason to take a risk and use aas when there are several other options that could help you to reach your goals....


Post up your stats and goals and we will try and help you further but honestly I feel fairly confident that your goals can be reached without aas by just changing up your diet and adjusting your cardio.....

[vote for pedro]

Yeah I hear ya man. I'm gonna wait a bit to see how far I can go once I start working with a nutritionist for a while but I want to have all the info I need by the time I start. I will probably try to find some test to go along with it. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. Thanks for the help guys!

[HORSE~]

Yeah I hear ya man. I'm gonna wait a bit to see how far I can go once I start working with a nutritionist for a while but I want to have all the info I need by the time I start. I will probably try to find some test to go along with it. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. Thanks for the help guys!

Thats a very good idea!!!!


Check your pm's.....

[Ashop]

Not gonna poke fun Bro....I did winnie solo...and had issues with my dick......took 2 weeks on prop to get back...so if you are smart do some test along with the winnie....I will say not everyone experiences that. The benefits of win/test was that I leaned out and got tight and shredded...diet is instrumental as well....

Your gains are better,,,you will look, feel better with some additional testosterone trust me.

[WARMachine]

How the hell can someone have 69,000,000 posts?



And i have to agree with HORSE.

Why not run a Var bridge? Good strength, less toxic?

[The Deuce]

How the hell can someone have 69,000,000 posts?

You noticed that too I was all like WTF ?!?!?

[hankdiesel]

69 million posts? That can't be possible.......

I have done two winny only cycles and had sexual issues both times. I didn't figure it out until after. I looked great but I felt "off". Now I know it's because my test levels were so low. I learned that what they say is true. Test should be your base for ALL cycles.

[bmit]

bro, don't chance running anything w/o at least 100 mg test/wk. In college i took fina w/o test bc i didn't know any better. Was so irritable and my sex drive was nil. Not worth a risk. Trust me. Nothing worse then the irony of looking like a million bucks with every girl sweatin you down but your equipment doesn't work and your sex drive is crushed.

[The Deuce]

bro, don't chance running anything w/o at least 100 mg test/wk. In college i took fina w/o test bc i didn't know any better. Was so irritable and my sex drive was nil. Not worth a risk. Trust me. Nothing worse then the irony of looking like a million bucks with every girl sweatin you down but your equipment doesn't work and your sex drive is crushed.

Amen to that brotha!! I did it once before and was so devastated with my sh*t not working I almost cried myself to sleep every night.. hahaha welll not that bad but close... ALWAYS ALWAYS USE TEST AS A BASE !!! Please for the love of God retain your ManHood !!

[legobricks]

bro, don't chance running anything w/o at least 100 mg test/wk. In college i took fina w/o test bc i didn't know any better. Was so irritable and my sex drive was nil. Not worth a risk. Trust me. Nothing worse then the irony of looking like a million bucks with every girl sweatin you down but your equipment doesn't work and your sex drive is crushed.

Amen to that brotha!! I did it once before and was so devastated with my sh*t not working I almost cried myself to sleep every night.. hahaha welll not that bad but close... ALWAYS ALWAYS USE TEST AS A BASE !!! Please for the love of God retain your ManHood !!

Guys, he is talking about Winstrol which is a farely mild substance and a DHT at that. Fina (tren ) is a 19nor group and VERY strong with complete shutdown of your endogeneous test. Two totally different compounds.

With Winny it can be a trial and error, yes it is suppressive and may cause libido issues due to being suppressed, or you wont have any issues at all.


Id keep some prop on the side or suspension incase you start feeling the effects of low test levels.

But utilize the nutritionist to your full advantage before turning to the compounds cus....trust me, with a solid diet in place youll get be amazed at the results....adding the winny after the results and clean diet would be even better!

[bmit]

I agree legobricks that you can't equate fina with winny but would you chance shutdown? 100 -150 mg test wk wouldn't cause ANY problems and is a great insurance policy against shutdown. Wouldn't mortgage my penis w/o this insurance

[legobricks]

I agree legobricks that you can't equate fina with winny but would you chance shutdown? 100 -150 mg test wk wouldn't cause ANY problems and is a great insurance policy against shutdown. Wouldn't mortgage my penis w/o this insurance

Oh i agree with you, i unfortunately cannot utilize even mild supressing AAS without the accompy of a testosterone . But the only way i found this out is i ran some mild compounds without test so I KNOW how my body works. And as horse stated previously, its kind of a trial and error thing to see how your body works.

But to be honest, I LOVE test so im a-ok with it

[The Deuce]

I agree with you to Lego... but there is just no way i could possibly in good conscious tell someone to take something that would shutdown his natty test and then come a couple weeks from now he is back on the board begging for advice on how to fix his wang. See what i am saying. I know that it can be taking alone and sometimes you can skirt through with no side effects at all but who would wanna risk it ya know??


I also Highly agree with your position on the nutritionist... I guarantee Most people in this world that consider using AAS don't even know the RAW AND PURE benefits of just getting that Diet spot on.


You know how people refer to steroids as blowing up like a balloon?? And thats how you can tell someone who is on AAS is that they get BIG fast... Well it is of my opinion that if you havent been training for that long and your diet isn't good then you switch that. And get that Diet on track you will grow and grow fast.... just like if you were using AAS. Does that make any sense?? I dunno but anyways just thought I would share. !!

[legobricks]

Yeah i here what you are saying but i always tell people what can happen without using test with certain substances. Some you can get away without any test and some you have to use test in order to supplement what is diminished.

And yeah I learned from my own experience how potent a diet can be. Everyone starts some place and im pretty sure that the majority of people who start lifting and have used AAS didnt know about diet until that one day they decided to get everything clean and spot on and were astonished at the results. HA that was me!

We all start somewhere. But Pedro knows whats up with diet and lucky enough to have a nutrionist at his side as well which makes for awesome results.

[vote for pedro]

Thanks to everyone for all the advice this has been extremely helpful with the subject. I really appreciate it!