Putting together my first cycle

**NewMuscle83** · 11-09-2008, 04:48 PM

So after much research for the past couple of years, I feel I am ready to do a real cycle this winter. I will start this in Decemeber or January. My goals are to put lean, solid mass, and drop some bf by the end of cycle.

Week 1-12 Test E 500mg/week
Week 1-12 Proviron 50mg ED
Week 9-14 Winstrol tabs 50mg ED
Week 15 Start PCT which will be Nolva at 40/40/20/20, Clomid at 50/50/50/50, and 6 weeks of Clen with keto every 3rd week.

The reason I'm using Prov is to keep bloat and sides to an absolute minimum. Since Prov and Winni are DHT's, should I stop the prov when I start the Win??

I want this to be as safe and side effect-free cycle as possible. I will also be taking my vitamins, nizoral shampoo, acne face and body wash, and some milk thistle.

Stats: 25, 5'10.5", 198 lbs, 11% bf.

Cycle experience: Anavar only for 7 weeks at 80mg. Strength went up a lot, but not any major physical changes.

Thanks for any input.

**Mulciber** · 11-09-2008, 04:54 PM

looks alright

**NewMuscle83** · 11-09-2008, 06:52 PM

any input on the prov question?

**WARMachine** · 11-09-2008, 06:56 PM

If youre looking to keep bloat and sides to a minimum i would use Adex.

Proviron didnt help much with bloat and ache for me while on cycle.

Maybe that was just me but... It should lower SHBG and lower aromatization.

**NewMuscle83** · 11-09-2008, 07:08 PM

cool, so .25 adex ed for the first 12 weeks and stop the prov at week 9?

also, I dnt see a need for hcg . right?

thanks.

**T_Own** · 11-09-2008, 07:09 PM

there's never really a NEED. you'll be fine without it

**WARMachine** · 11-09-2008, 07:11 PM

hCG would be overkill IMO.

If youre going to run Adex, use it at .25mg ED or .5mg EOD.

I would save the Pro for PCT, or try it out and run it w/out Adex.

**NewMuscle83** · 11-09-2008, 07:18 PM

well, I've never tried any of these compounds, so I don't know how I'm going to feel. however, from reading and research, I like the sound of proviron on a cycle. I will try that first, and if the bloat gets out of hand, i'll throw in the adex.

**The Deuce** · 11-09-2008, 08:11 PM

Adex is more used for the "bloat" ....

You are going to do what you want but there isnt a need for proviron in this cycle. IMO

Not that it will hurt... but i only use proviron if I am using TEST PROP.

Are you going more for a Bulker or a Cutter??

**NewMuscle83** · 11-09-2008, 08:15 PM

10 more lean lbs and get down to 6 or 7% by the end of cycle.

why only prop and not e?

**T_Own** · 11-09-2008, 08:18 PM

that bf goal is pretty lofty... you would be better off going with a bulking cycle imo. to cut you need an entirely different diet, and the water retention will probably throw off your results at first. with 11% you would be fine bulking

**jc95605** · 11-09-2008, 08:18 PM

Ya i don't think theres a need for proviron in your cycle. I'd stick with test e and just frontload it if you want to feel it sooner. Worked good for me.

**The Deuce** · 11-09-2008, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by 48volts

10 more lean lbs and get down to 6 or 7% by the end of cycle.

why only prop and not e?

Proviron is often referred to as Oral Masteron . And that being said... unless your BF is low you usually don't see GREAT results with it. Masteron is used mostly in CUTTING cycles. Definition and Hardness are two good attributes that it reveals. From my personal experience anyways.

Not only that but I have only seen Dromastolone di-propionate around lately which needs to be shot pretty much daily which conversely goes great if you are already shooting Test Prop every day.

Now if you can find it some labs make an ENAN version of Mast which would be good to go with Test E.

Like i said before... Proviron isnt all its cracked up to be. Yes it is a great addition for some cycles but for what u are going for I personally think Winny would do you a lot better.