Help me plan out a cycle

**juiceball44** · 12-04-2008, 11:52 PM

Just looking for some quality gains and put on some more mass. I Haven't taken anything for more than a year and I have been maintaining a weight of 220lbs at 6'3" I have been as heavy as 245lbs

I have a good amount of the following....

300mg/ml Test E
300mg/ml Deca
50mg Winny caps
Clen
T3

Planing on running a basic clomid/nolva PCT

So how would you run this stuff, I would like to end this cycle with some nice mass and not to much body fat. I'm guessing run the t3/clen toward the end of the cycle with the winny (which I would rather not take, I want to keep my hair)

**Mulciber** · 12-04-2008, 11:55 PM

dude you can do this.basic shit .put something together yourself and let us take a look

**juiceball44** · 12-05-2008, 12:01 AM

Well I have been out of the game for a min just wanted to get some peoples opinion

I was thinking

1-15 600mg test
1-13 450 Deca

not sure if I should cycle the clen /t3 throughout the cycle or only at the end and wanted to know if its even worth it to use the winny at the end of the cycle

**Phate** · 12-05-2008, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by juiceball44

Well I have been out of the game for a min just wanted to get some peoples opinion

I was thinking

1-15 600mg test
1-13 450 Deca
nice cycle, little late "kicking" but it'll work nicely when it does kick in
not sure if I should cycle the clen/t3 throughout the cycle or only at the end and wanted to know if its even worth it to use the winny at the end of the cycle

depends, no point in running clen/t3 if your bulking as your want all the food you can get, this applies to clean bulking as well, if you are cutting then you can, but i doubt you want to cut as those compounds aren't meant for it

**juiceball44** · 12-05-2008, 12:07 AM

Also how long should I run them, I can go longer than 15 weeks if need be

Ya I have the clen /t3/winny left over from a cutting cycle over a year ago

should I add in the winny at some point to help with bloat?

**Mulciber** · 12-05-2008, 12:10 AM

that would be ok.. not sure id bother with the clen and t3.. could run the winny if you wanted.. 12-17 or something..dont know how long you want to stay on..
could run it something like
test 1-12
deca 1-10
winny 9-14

up to you

**juiceball44** · 12-05-2008, 12:17 AM

well I'd like to get the most out of the cycle so I'm thinking around 15 weeks

is Arimidex the best to run during this cycle or something else recommended. I'd like to keep sides/bloat to a minimal.

**jimmyinkedup** · 12-05-2008, 12:17 AM

i like winny with deca or tren ...id def throw it in ...although u said hair is a concern ....your call ..if u are prone to MPB then winny may aggravate. Id save t3 and clen for another day ...spring/summer cut maybe. If u like longer cycles you outline works:
test 1-15 - 600mgs
deca 1-13 - 450 mgs
winny 11-16 50mgs/day
id run armidex at .5 eod
clomid nolva pct like u said ....

**juiceball44** · 12-05-2008, 12:23 AM

awesome that looks pretty solid and pretty much what I was thinking about. haven't been on here in a long time but everything still seems the same. I only had hair start falling out when I ran a prop/tren /mast cycle and started to add winny lol, but I dropped the winny and it was ok

**Phate** · 12-05-2008, 12:25 AM

[QUOTE=juiceball44;4323530]awesome that looks pretty solid and pretty much what I was thinking about. haven't been on here in a long time but everything still seems the same. I only had hair start falling out when I ran a prop/tren /mast cycle and started to add winny lol, but I dropped the winny and it was ok

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this is called a source check and you can't ask over the open forum, sorry, rules are rules

edit it out

**Mulciber** · 12-05-2008, 12:26 AM

id run the winny till 17 and jump right on pct

**jimmyinkedup** · 12-05-2008, 12:30 AM

^^^ true ...wouldnt go wrong doing that ....yeah your 2 dht roids the winny + masteron combo def wasnt conducive to the hairline...

**juiceball44** · 12-05-2008, 12:31 AM

do I have to wait till week 11 to start the winny? would it be ok if I started it on like 8/9 run to week 17 that 8/9 weeks on winny, is that to long on my liver?

**juiceball44** · 12-05-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

^^^ true ...wouldnt go wrong doing that ....yeah your 2 dht roids the winny + masteron combo def wasnt conducive to the hairline...

ya but the crazy veins in my abs were worth it, that was such a sick cycle

**jimmyinkedup** · 12-05-2008, 12:33 AM

hmm by my figuring thats 9-10 weeks on winny ...too long for me ...i like 6 weeks .....winny is more liver toxic than dbol ...so if that helps make your decision....

**Mulciber** · 12-05-2008, 12:49 AM

id go 12-17 on the winny

**juiceball44** · 12-05-2008, 12:56 AM

ok thanks guys

**muhammad1185** · 12-05-2008, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Mulciber

that would be ok.. not sure id bother with the clen and t3.. could run the winny if you wanted.. 12-17 or something..dont know how long you want to stay on..
could run it something like
test 1-12
deca 1-10
winny 9-14

up to you

id go for something like this, ive chosen this cycle after weeks of thought, research, and doing these guys heads in, lol.

keep winny to 5 weeks max, and take liv 52, milk thistle if you can, to help protect liver. when you planning of starting, im probably going to start next week, cant wait. good luck with ya cycle