Cycle help

**Cadaver** · 01-13-2009, 11:21 AM

I have,
8 Deca Durabolin 200mgs
200 tabs/5mg Dianabol -Anabol Dispensary
200 tbl / 10 mg tamoxifen citrate.

I'm wondering if anyone has some advice for a cycle.

**Big** · 01-13-2009, 11:31 AM

Welcome.
First I'll move this to the correct section, where we will all tell you why you shouldn't use that. while I do that start by telling us a little about yourself.
age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?
years training?

**Cadaver** · 01-13-2009, 11:38 AM

8 Deca Durabolin 200mgs
200 tabs/5mg Dianabol -Anabol Dispensary
200 tbl / 10 mg tamoxifen citrate.

34 years old
6'3
215 lbs
5 years training

**Big** · 01-13-2009, 11:42 AM

alrighty:
1 first cycle should be test only
2 deca shouldn't be used on first cycle
3 deca needs to be run for at least 10 weeks
4 deca shouldn't be used without test
5 you need to do enough research to propose a sensible cycle and pct

**Big** · 01-13-2009, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Big

alrighty:
1 first cycle should be test only
2 deca shouldn't be used on first cycle
3 deca needs to be run for at least 10 weeks
4 deca shouldn't be used without test
5 you need to do enough research to propose a sensible cycle and pct

so far you aren't taking any of my advice, I'm going to move along and let others help you from here.

**Cadaver** · 01-13-2009, 11:57 AM

Iv'e done
15 sustanon 250
15 winstrol depot
40 nolvadex
as well,

12 sustanon 250 only cycle
with decent results.

I would like to stay away from testosterone for a while. thanks

**Cadaver** · 01-13-2009, 12:13 PM

I've done
15 Sustanon 250
15 winstrol depot
40 nolvadex .

as well a (12) Sustanon 250 cycle last winter.
I was hoping to stay away from the test for a while.
I can't find any information on why I shouldn't mix deca and dianabol . Thanks

**Big** · 01-13-2009, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Cadaver

I can't find any information on why I shouldn't mix deca and dianabol.

I can't see where anyone said you shouldn't mix deca and dbol .

**Cadaver** · 01-13-2009, 05:49 PM

What kind of gains could I possibly expect if I took the dianabol alone?

**Big** · 01-13-2009, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Cadaver

What kind of gains could I possibly expect if I took the dianabol alone?

you could expect to get really bloated and gain a bit of water weight, then lose pretty much all of it.

**Jfew44** · 01-13-2009, 05:53 PM

Alot of people will advise against dbol only, and I am one of them. But to answer your question, you can expect to blow up 15-20lbs, then lose it all once your cycle is done.

**DS21** · 01-13-2009, 06:20 PM

Why would you want to stay away from test?

**Cadaver** · 01-13-2009, 06:32 PM

Test gave me insomnia and took my appetite away the last time I did an all sustanon 250cycle. I took 9 amps over 9 weeks, and my bloodwork showed my test level was at least 10 times the normal level. My doctor thought that was a little high for taking so little over that long a time period. I was hoping a cycle without test would be a little more comfortable. Any input will help thanks!

**DS21** · 01-13-2009, 06:46 PM

I think the input everyone on this board will give you is always use test as the base of your cycle.

What was your injection frequency with the sust?

**Cadaver** · 01-13-2009, 07:12 PM

One per week for 9 weeks

**CeeLo** · 01-13-2009, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Cadaver

One per week for 9 weeks

You did one injection per week of Sust 250? Sust should be done eod or atleast twice per week. The short ester of prop would require a eod injection, but some would say that it doesn't matter because of the amount of prop you get so you could get away with twice a week injects.

**DS21** · 01-13-2009, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Cadaver

One per week for 9 weeks

Like stated above sust needs to be injected eod. That's why I asked you how often you injected. I don't know if this is what caused your problems, but I can asure you, our blood levels were all over the place with your last cycle. I wouldn't use sust personally, buy maybe just using some Test E with your Deca and Dbol to kick start your cycle would be the best option, IMO. Try something along the lines of this:

Wk 1-4or5 Dbol
Wk 1-14 Test E
Wk 1-12 Deca
Wk 16-19 PCT

You can do more research to figure out what doses you would like to run, best of luck.

**CeeLo** · 01-13-2009, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Cadaver

I have,
8 Deca Durabolin 200mgs
200 tabs/5mg Dianabol -Anabol Dispensary
200 tbl / 10 mg tamoxifen citrate.

I'm wondering if anyone has some advice for a cycle.

You have nothing here in my opinon. You have Deca , which should be stacked with test. Some D-bol, which should be taken at the front-end of cycle, 4-6 weeks, and then a Tamox, which is used in the PCT.

This is not a cycle only some left overs, thrown together to do nothing.

**Cadaver** · 01-13-2009, 07:45 PM

\Would this shorter cycle be worth my while?

WK 1-4 Dbol
Wk 1-10 Test enth
Wk 1-8 Deca
Wk 12-16 Nolvadex

**CeeLo** · 01-13-2009, 08:42 PM

It's not a bad cycle. What doses are thinking of running. I would do 50 on the d-bol, 600 on the Test and 400 on the deca .

Get more input on the PCT, I don't have a lot of experience in that area.