starting this weekend

[theflyingcamel]

2nd cycle, I just took 3.5 months off, now I'm about to start some clen and Test E. I was going to run sust but after some excellent feedback I decided to go with another cycle of test 300, I'll take it every 3rd day but first I've got a bottle of Test E 150 I'd like to use up, I'm thinking I'll take it eod til ts gone then start the 300 every third day. Seems perfectly rational to me, any dissenters? I always appreciate the good advice I get in here.

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

sounds okay

[theflyingcamel]

thnx brane, it's been a long 3.5, didn't keep my gains worth a shit.

[redz]

Make sure you run a strong pct if you want to keep your gains.

[theflyingcamel]

I've got a bottle of clomid ready, what else would you recommend?

[bene7422]

no need to use up the test e u have eod,just use it along with the test u have for this cycle and pin 2x wk.add nolva into your pct and u could even add in some aromison if u want.

[run_n_fool]

thnx brane, it's been a long 3.5, didn't keep my gains worth a shit.

what did you do for PCT last time?

[Immortal Soldier]

thnx brane, it's been a long 3.5, didn't keep my gains worth a shit.

Either you had an inadequate PCT or horrible diet because you should be able to keep a majority of your gains (80%+) with a good PCT and diet.

[theflyingcamel]

exactly, I didn't use anything and my diet is never ideal but for my purposes its decent. I blame my complete lack of PCT.

[Mammon]

for your purposes diet is decent?

[theflyingcamel]

bene> why do you think using that weak E eod would be a waste?

Mammon> yeah, my diet is alright for size and power but I'll never get down to 7% on it

[Immortal Soldier]

bene> why do you think using that weak E eod would be a waste?

Mammon> yeah, my diet is alright for size and power but I'll never get down to 7% on it

To gain weight successfully on AAS you need to a surplus of calories, carbs, protein to feed your bodies growth or else it won't grow. Currently I am eating 4000+ calories on my cycle with around 200+ grams of protein all from foods (no protein shakes or nothing im out of them lol), even now I wish my protein was ahigher (I mean if I added two shakes it would bump be up to 280 grms so Im not worried)

The purpose of the diet isn't to get to 7% (even though I am 8-9% right now even with the intake of that much calories) its to give your body enough nutrients to force growth.

It's obvious, you didn't take the time to get your diet straight before you cycled, thats a shame because it is the basis of which you get your gains from AAS.

I hope you start to get your diet into order it will help you a lot, best of luck.

[theflyingcamel]

I'm out to hit 1500 with my combined bench/squat/deadlift this time around, I don't count carbs but I'm trying to get in 300-380 grams of protein in a day (as you all know, it's not easy) and keep an eye on my fat intake.

[seriousmass]

Why would you be shooting the Test - enan EOD, the half-life of Enan is 10.5 days. You would only do that if you're using a shorter ester compound like PROP. I would suggest just shooting it twice a week. It's not going to help at all shooting it EOD.

[FireGuy]

To gain weight successfully on AAS you need to a surplus of calories, carbs, protein to feed your bodies growth or else it won't grow. Currently I am eating 4000+ calories on my cycle with around 200+ grams of protein all from foods (no protein shakes or nothing im out of them lol), even now I wish my protein was ahigher (I mean if I added two shakes it would bump be up to 280 grms so Im not worried)

The purpose of the diet isn't to get to 7% (even though I am 8-9% right now even with the intake of that much calories) its to give your body enough nutrients to force growth.

It's obvious, you didn't take the time to get your diet straight before you cycled, thats a shame because it is the basis of which you get your gains from AAS.

I hope you start to get your diet into order it will help you a lot, best of luck.

How many grams of fat and carbs are you consuming?

[Immortal Soldier]

How many grams of fat and carbs are you consuming?

Average daily intake: Fat 150 grams, Carbs 450 grams, Protein 200-210 (all from food sources) Fiber 35 grms.

This diet works well for me, I have not noticed any noticeable fat gain or the such while on cycle (so far just increased glycogen and water due to the test).

Fat's is a little high, but its from healthy foods (fish, meat, steak, whole grain pasta, sweet potatos, and MILK since I have 2 glasses with every meal)

[FireGuy]

If you are staying at 8% on those macros my hat is off to you. You must have some crazy genetics!!

[Immortal Soldier]

If you are staying at 8% on those macros my hat is off to you. You must have some crazy genetics!!

Haha thanks, but right now I would say im at 10% (even though I still look lean (ie my abs are still there and actually look a bit leaner and my stomach goes inward still), but I can "fell" the increased glycogen, water, around certain parts)

But yeah, I have always had fast metabolism, when I was first got into weight lifting I weighed 130 lbs at 8% bodyfat, in 4 months I was able to make it 172 lbs at 16% bodyfat and I had no layed out diet, I just ate anything I saw (excluding fast food and sugar fat food foods). Then in another 4 months I was down to 12% while maintaining my weight.

But a buddy of mine had even better genetics, he could eat whatever he wanted and grow like a weed and still keep his bf% at 7%.

[Knockout_Power]

Haha thanks, but right now I would say im at 10% (even though I still look lean (ie my abs are still there and actually look a bit leaner and my stomach goes inward still), but I can "fell" the increased glycogen, water, around certain parts)

But yeah, I have always had fast metabolism, when I was first got into weight lifting I weighed 130 lbs at 8% bodyfat, in 4 months I was able to make it 172 lbs at 16% bodyfat and I had no layed out diet, I just ate anything I saw (excluding fast food and sugar fat food foods). Then in another 4 months I was down to 12% while maintaining my weight.

But a buddy of mine had even better genetics, he could eat whatever he wanted and grow like a weed and still keep his bf% at 7%.

Must be nice, Ive had to taper my diet down to sub 60g of fat to start losing the unwanted fat. Working so far but I cant deviate at all...

[Shurik]

thnx brane, it's been a long 3.5, didn't keep my gains worth a shit.

Are you sure you are ready for another cycle??? It would be a shame to loose all the gains from this cycle also. Get your diet in check and pct, while doing more research. Thats my opinion. No need to waste your money or time without those main things.

[theflyingcamel]

I've got my PCT ducks in a row this time, I just ordered the my nolva to go along with my clen and as far as my diet goes; my goals may not be exactly the same as yours, notice I haven't asked for anyones input on my diet. I appreciate the feedback but I'll be just fine.

[Mammon]

nolvadex and clen pct??? might consider getting some clomid

[theflyingcamel]

Why would you be shooting the Test - enan EOD, the half-life of Enan is 10.5 days. You would only do that if you're using a shorter ester compound like PROP. I would suggest just shooting it twice a week. It's not going to help at all shooting it EOD.

now I'm confused, Are you saying I should take my test all at once every 10 days? last time I used 300 and I went every third day, now for this 150, I figured I'd go every other. Anyone care to chime in on this?

[theflyingcamel]

nolvadex and clen pct??? might consider getting some clomid

oops, my bad, I'm taking clen right now I'll be using clomid which I've already got and the nolva that I ordered fo rPCT.

Now back to this test thing...

[theflyingcamel]

anyone?

[theflyingcamel]

Bueller?

[Jfew44]

now I'm confused, Are you saying I should take my test all at once every 10 days? last time I used 300 and I went every third day, now for this 150, I figured I'd go every other. Anyone care to chime in on this?

The half life is 10 days, which means half of what you shoot will be in your system after 10 days. Do not shoot that far apart. Stick with shooting every 3 1/2 days. Just double the dose on your 150.

[theflyingcamel]

Thanks, now I get it