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**JuliusPleaser** · 01-21-2009, 07:41 PM

5'11
16 inch arms
45 inch chest
25 inch legs
16 inch calves
206 lbs prob 14% bf

5-6 cycle experience (but was an idiot for a few)

goal: gain muscle the cut if off after during the summer

I want to start monday:

week 1 front load 1mg of test enanthate and 1.2gram of deca
weeks 2-14 test E at 500mg a week
weeks 2-12 deca at 600mg a week
Arimidex ED during whole cycle (reduce water)

start PCT two weeks after last Test E shot
hcg Clomid and nolva

now my one friend told me i should only use 400mg of deca a week instead of 600mg...what do u think?

I've never tried frontloading so I'm incorporating that in this cycle...

any advice is appreciated, thanks

**auslifta** · 01-21-2009, 07:45 PM

With those stats and cycle history i'd say you need diet help.

600mg good for deca , maybe lower test to 350mg a week, let 19nor be the hero.

Pct needs improving too for that cycle.

**lord henry** · 01-21-2009, 07:45 PM

i wouldent frondload .

weeks 1-4 75-100mgs prop ed (or 40-50mgs dbol ed)

weeks 1-14 500mgs test e ew

weeks 1-12 400mgs deca ew

weeks 9-13 500iu hcg every 3rd day

adex thu cycle

nolva/clomid pct like you say

maybe run prop the last 2 weeks while you wait for pct (or winny)

**auslifta** · 01-21-2009, 07:47 PM

You should cut before your cycle IMO

**hankdiesel** · 01-21-2009, 08:02 PM

Keep the deca at 600mg. You can keep your size and lose a good bit of body fat if you keep your diet in check and do some cardio while on this cycle. Total transformation

**JuliusPleaser** · 01-21-2009, 10:32 PM

ok cool, i thought too much deca would f things up...but either way, i will go with it, i was thinkin of pickin up some dbol or tbol for the first 4-6 weeks

**amcon** · 01-21-2009, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser

5'11
16 inch arms
45 inch chest
25 inch legs
16 inch calves
206 lbs prob 14% bf

5-6 cycle experience (but was an idiot for a few)

goal: gain muscle the cut if off after during the summer

I want to start monday:

week 1 front load 1mg of test enanthate and 1.2gram of deca
weeks 2-14 test E at 500mg a week
weeks 2-12 deca at 600mg a week
Arimidex ED during whole cycle (reduce water)

start PCT two weeks after last Test E shot
hcg Clomid and nolva

now my one friend told me i should only use 400mg of deca a week instead of 600mg...what do u think?

I've never tried frontloading so I'm incorporating that in this cycle...

any advice is appreciated, thanks

looks like you have done some good work finding out what you want and what you need...

how ever : 5 foot 11 and 206 lbs - seems like you maybe over the 15 % bf your thinking, so here is the deal - nobody who wants to juice likes to hear this an i am one of them...

you diet needs to be perfect below in some other thread is guy with his diet togather on 300 mg of just test with a rock solid diet... his numbers are sick, his growth is awesome just what you would expect of aas.

your work outs need to be spot on not over trained not under trained (i am always worried about people being over trained - i may be worse than undertraining)

i will give you my stats just to give you a reference...

6 foot 3, 229 this am, prob 13 - 15 % bf, in the pic on my avitar i was 220 lbs and it was in like aug of 2008, i was prob 9 11 % during that time period, i am all nat - except for the androgel that the doc has me taking (thank goodness - i got that taken care of ) that will lift my test levels to maybe 400 - 500, when you're geared up you will (and correct me if i am wrong) be in the 3000 - 5000 range... the point being i am at natural #s and i am growing cause i have a good diet and i have a great work out program...

HOWEVER, when i plateu in a few weeks or months - i am gearing up for a nice simple cycle of test e at around 400 - 600 mg a week... then i will recheck my goals

hope that helps - to recap

#1 - diet #2 - get some one to check every set you do and say good or bad(add that in here and some one real smart will help you im sure) #3 - post some body pic and we can get you started on where to focus and how to get started

great post and you are smart and brave for what you have done - now go get what you want!!!!!

**mx3** · 01-21-2009, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser

5'11
16 inch arms
45 inch chest
25 inch legs
16 inch calves
206 lbs prob 14% bf

5-6 cycle experience (but was an idiot for a few)

goal: gain muscle the cut if off after during the summer

I want to start monday:

week 1 front load 1mg of test enanthate and 1.2gram of deca
weeks 2-14 test E at 500mg a week
weeks 2-12 deca at 600mg a week
Arimidex ED during whole cycle (reduce water)

start PCT two weeks after last Test E shot
hcg Clomid and nolva

now my one friend told me i should only use 400mg of deca a week instead of 600mg...what do u think?

I've never tried frontloading so I'm incorporating that in this cycle...

any advice is appreciated, thanks

your stats should be better so im thinking you need to work on your diet. seeing as how you already have 5-6cycle under your belt, that cycle looks good. maybe add some aromasin into pct.

**JuliusPleaser** · 01-21-2009, 11:40 PM

alot of people argue that deca should not over power test?

maybe i should just do 500mg of test and deca...

also people say frontloading is a waste? the science behind it makes sense though...any thoughts

**amcon** · 01-21-2009, 11:42 PM

you ask we tell - diet then deca ....

**JuliusPleaser** · 01-22-2009, 02:49 AM

moreeee

**amcon** · 01-22-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser

moreeee

you can juice with a bad diet and get very little results... you can diet with no juice and get very good results

... but i will add one more thing - nothing happens over night - it is like building a house you must build you foundation right, foundation = diet, then every thing else can be built on top of it

**smokethedays** · 01-22-2009, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser

5'11
16 inch arms
45 inch chest
25 inch legs
16 inch calves
206 lbs prob 14% bf

5-6 cycle experience (but was an idiot for a few)

goal: gain muscle the cut if off after during the summer

I want to start monday:

week 1 front load 1mg of test enanthate and 1.2gram of deca
weeks 2-14 test E at 500mg a week
weeks 2-12 deca at 600mg a week
Arimidex ED during whole cycle (reduce water)

start PCT two weeks after last Test E shot
hcg Clomid and nolva

now my one friend told me i should only use 400mg of deca a week instead of 600mg...what do u think?

I've never tried frontloading so I'm incorporating that in this cycle...

any advice is appreciated, thanks

Your doses are way too high for your size.
IMO:
No front load needed.
week 1-16 Test E 500mg/week
week 1-14 Deca 400mg/week

**chuckt12345** · 01-22-2009, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

Your doses are way too high for your size.
IMO:
No front load needed.
week 1-16 Test E 500mg/week
week 1-14 Deca 400mg/week

Agree,, id drop it to 400mg,, that should be plenty

**JuliusPleaser** · 01-28-2009, 02:39 PM

ok boys, update...

I did a front load of 625mg of test and 550 deca day one...and just now on day 3.5, i did 250 of test and 200 of deca...this i read about frontloading which will give u exactly the same plasma level from start to finish!!!..makes sense and its not so much of a waste....i read it on a forum comparing charts of doing 1ooomg frontload to the method above...this method was more stable

anyway my cycle is this:

1-14 test E 500mg a wk
1-12 deca 400mg a wk

now i was contemplating to taking arimidex thruout my cycle, i have the liquiod coming today...what do u think i should do dosages wise....5 eod??? or .25 eod...

thanks guys

**JuliusPleaser** · 01-28-2009, 11:29 PM

bump

**KeyserSoze1** · 01-28-2009, 11:47 PM

Whats the most important part of the diet....since it is such a HUGE factor? Is it making sure you take in enough calories, vitamins, low sodium, 2-3 grams of protein/pound body weight every 24 hrs, 8-10 hours sleep, drinking 5 litres of water/24 hrs, eating every 3 hours a small meal, glutamine, keeping carbs low but still maintaining enough carbs for energy and protein absorption? I am sure that I am missing TONS!

**JuliusPleaser** · 01-29-2009, 02:14 AM

ok that had NOTHING to do with my quesitons..anyone else please

**CHUCKYthentic** · 01-29-2009, 02:32 AM

id do .25 eod. thats worked for me but everyone is diff. depends on how gyno prone u are

**JuliusPleaser** · 01-29-2009, 02:23 PM

im not prone to gyno, i had my gland removed before due to propecia making them gyno...i got it free too, in the military

basically i was only tryn to use arimidex to lower water retention and bloat, but ive also read it could hinder gains??? thats why i dont want to take too much...so i might just to .25

**MMArmour** · 01-29-2009, 03:50 PM

id start at .25mg/eod and judge it from there.

**chuckt12345** · 01-29-2009, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser

im not prone to gyno, i had my gland removed before due to propecia making them gyno...i got it free too, in the military

basically i was only tryn to use arimidex to lower water retention and bloat, but ive also read it could hinder gains??? thats why i dont want to take too much...so i might just to .25

propecia caused your gyno? how many mg's a day were you taking?

**JuliusPleaser** · 01-29-2009, 04:31 PM

well thats what i told the military doctors...i was also on test and other shit! so def wasn't just propecia alone...but still, u do run a risk getting gyno with propecia 1mg a day

**Brown Ninja** · 01-29-2009, 04:55 PM

News to me....

**Lift Chief** · 01-29-2009, 10:22 PM

I'd start the PCT sooner than 2 weeks after last test E shot. One key for PCT is to minimize the time in which the test has cleared but your balls are completely turned off, so you want to work at turning them back on ASAP