Winny + Var = o.k.???

**H2Okid** · 01-22-2009, 05:22 PM

Is it ok to run Win and Var at the same time in a cycle. I am confused on this?

running 6-900 mG test e wk, 60mg Var ed, 50mg Win ed.

I am using them together for a cutting cycle. it looks like most use it at the end of their cycles, but I am wanting to cut from the get go? should I keep it this way, or say Fark it and throw some Tren e in there too(old lady getting tired of my attiude on this so I went off).

any help is greatly appreciated. it is hard to get straight advice as a newbie.

I WILL PAY FOR SOMEONE TO STRUCTURE ME A CYCLE!!!!

**H2Okid** · 01-23-2009, 09:52 AM

wow, thanks for all the help?

**JiGGaMaN** · 01-23-2009, 09:59 AM

Alright deal. Ill be your personal consultant for the next 2 minutes.

***FireGuy*** · 01-23-2009, 10:09 AM

It is ok to run those two at the same time.

**H2Okid** · 01-23-2009, 01:30 PM

Thanks. was hoping for a lil bit more in depth...

i was just wondering,cuz what ive read on hear, most are running the win at the end of there cycles. I have started it from the beginning?

**H2Okid** · 01-23-2009, 01:31 PM

wow, my avatar looks kinda gay. maybe thats why I get no help?

**Big** · 01-23-2009, 01:47 PM

Stats and cycle history?

**H2Okid** · 01-23-2009, 02:14 PM

oh, got the big boy on here. ok, here it is sir..

33 years old
5'10"
b.f.= 18-22% (guess)
235#
done alot of cycles, but after being a member here, I obviusly had no clue to what I was doing.

prob 10th cycle. this will be my first time doing a PCT!! lol

right now I want to cut fat, and gain lean mass. am a professional fighter(mma). need to get down to light heavy (205#). I have a pretty decent diet(as of 2 weeks ago).

current cycle....

Test E 300mg (6-900mg wk), Win tabs25mg (50mg ed), Var tabs 20mg(60mg ed). I have nolv on hand as well.

**Kratos** · 01-23-2009, 03:29 PM

how can you fight mma at that weight and bf?

I can't understand your cycle the way you have it laid out.

**lord henry** · 01-23-2009, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

how can you fight mma at that weight and bf?

I can't understand your cycle the way you have it laid out.

i think he means

test 300mgs/ml 6-900mgs every week.

**Big** · 01-23-2009, 04:42 PM

That bf needs to come down before gear, do you have any pics to show what your base looks like?
also, write out the cycle in typical fashion, tell us exactly what you propose, and for what timeline and we'll go from there.

**MMArmour** · 01-23-2009, 07:05 PM

professional fighter huh??? hahah

**H2Okid** · 01-23-2009, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by lord henry

i think he means

test 300mgs/ml 6-900mgs every week.

yes, that is correct.

**H2Okid** · 01-23-2009, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

how can you fight mma at that weight and bf?

I can't understand your cycle the way you have it laid out.

I cant fight at this weight and bf, that is why I am cutting the lard off.

I have fought at heavyweight, but dont like being on the small end of the weight bracket.

**H2Okid** · 01-23-2009, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Big

That bf needs to come down before gear, do you have any pics to show what your base looks like?
also, write out the cycle in typical fashion, tell us exactly what you propose, and for what timeline and we'll go from there.

I will try to find a pic that wont reveal who I am. If it was found out who I was, it would affect alot in my business(not just me fighting, but MMA in my area, as I am a pretty well known in the business around here, and if this ever hit ink, it would cause alot of trouble around here.

Im reallly not sure on the timeline BIG. That is what I am needing help on. From what I have researched I seem to be on a decent cycle for cutting, but maybe not doing it in the right order or timeline. Ive also realized that the Var might be too much for my training because of the pumps... basically how I have outlined it above is what I have planned. But, most cycles Ive seen are not running Win at the beginning, so that may need to change too???

**H2Okid** · 01-23-2009, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by MMArmour

professional fighter huh??? hahah

maybe you could pm me and we could see whose record is more laughable?

You could gauge me as a WEC level lt. heavy. I would have no problem accepting a fight with some of there top 205's.

**Big** · 01-23-2009, 07:40 PM

just use your paint program to black your face out.
what I meant by re-writing the cycle, 6-900mg is too broad. tell us which you propose. I would say 600mg/week. You don't say for how many weeks. read the profiles on each compound, research a bit, then approximate your cycle and we can help from there.

**H2Okid** · 01-23-2009, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Big

just use your paint program to black your face out.
what I meant by re-writing the cycle, 6-900mg is too broad. tell us which you propose. I would say 600mg/week. You don't say for how many weeks. read the profiles on each compound, research a bit, then approximate your cycle and we can help from there.

I have some scars, and tatoos that would give it away.

I was planning on running the Test at 600mg throught the whole cycle.

Win 50mg ed (wk 1-4), 75 mg (5-8), 100mg(9-12).

Var 60mg ed wk 1-12.

*Breaking precedent here, but was also thinking of running hgh through the whole cycle(prob for at least a year)

**sorry this sounds all vague, but honestly that is where I am at. I have been misinformed for far too long.

**XD40** · 01-23-2009, 07:55 PM

Black out the face tattos etc. even it it takes out most of your pic we can get the idea bro

**Big** · 01-23-2009, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by XD40

Black out the face tattos etc. even it it takes out most of your pic we can get the idea bro

yep^

**H2Okid** · 01-23-2009, 08:01 PM

yike, that still scares me. SO many fighters, managers, and promoters know who I am. It honestly just isnt worth it. Plus, most of my pics are fight pics when I was actually in shape. now, most pics I have are family shots, with clothes on.

**H2Okid** · 01-23-2009, 08:17 PM

ok, I found a pic of a member that looks pretty damn close to what I look like right now.

off season....

**H2Okid** · 01-25-2009, 02:05 PM

bump...

**chuckt12345** · 01-25-2009, 03:15 PM

i wouldnt run that var more than 8 wks. maybe go wk 1-8 and then winny from wk9 to 14.

**H2Okid** · 01-25-2009, 08:15 PM

How do you guys think some HGH along with this cycle will be? I will run HGH prob for the next year straight at 2iu ed.

**stoney_creek** · 01-26-2009, 02:40 PM

If you are a pro fighter that is so well known why do you not have a doctor or nutritionist to talk to? And you obvisouly have never fought anywhere that means shit if you have done 10 cycles and never been drug tested. I know people who fight and you do not. People have non lying bullshit questions that need to be dealt with so dont waste peoples time.

**H2Okid** · 01-26-2009, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by stoney_creek

If you are a pro fighter that is so well known why do you not have a doctor or nutritionist to talk to? And you obvisouly have never fought anywhere that means shit if you have done 10 cycles and never been drug tested. I know people who fight and you do not. People have non lying bullshit questions that need to be dealt with so dont waste peoples time.

WOW, you know people that fight! lol. you must be the biggest tool I have seen on this forum yet. How do you never meet someone, and yet are able to come to the conclusions that you have, and be a dick about it.

I never said that my fighting credentials are what made me well known. It is the other areas of involvement that have put me in the spotlight a few times. You sound a lil too agro to be able to figure out what that means, even if I did take the time to explain it.

I do have friends that are nutritionalist, dr's, chiros, dealers, etc but I really like the level of research that some of these guys have on this forum. Experience is what most of these guys on here have, and that has always proven to be the best education in my opinion.

*could you maybe send me something like a signed t-shirt, or napkin. It would be sooo cool to have something with your sig on it...

**H2Okid** · 01-26-2009, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by H2Okid

maybe you could pm me and we could see whose record is more laughable?

You could gauge me as a WEC level lt. heavy. I would have no problem accepting a fight with some of there top 205's.

fyi, in case you missed it...