Underdosed or Fake Tren A??? any comments..

**Billytk03z** · 02-11-2009, 05:16 PM

Ok.. i dont want to ruffle any feathers by posting lab names.... so if im out of line, kindly advise or correct it please...

Im on day 7 of tren ace @ 50mg ed along with test p @ 30mg...

as of right now, I feel no strength increase, hardly- if any increase in vascularity, and no noticeable hardening (dont even feel slight hardening)...

now the gear im using is from a well known lab, that has website that allows you to check batch numbers, etc.... and mine checked out fine... but from the information that I am researching is that this lab had problems with gear that they produced from a year ago and longer... my gear was infact produced during the questionable period that is being kicked around by other bros.... also, I have other gear that I have used from this lab that was produced during that timeframe (over a year ago) as well and I can say that I did not have a good experience with it... I used the thier anavar @60mg ed and felt nothing, no stregnth increase and no hardening... I used their NPP @75mg ed and felt nothing, no strength or weight increase.. and like I said now I am on the tren ace and im feeling nothing by day 7.. the only thing that seems to be working is the test p...

I hope i didnt break any rules with the post, so if not can anyone advise?

**johnnybigguns** · 02-11-2009, 05:20 PM

Do you have an insomnia or night sweats? Alot say the strength doesn't come until week 2

**Billytk03z** · 02-11-2009, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by johnnybigguns

Do you have an insomnia or night sweats? Alot say the strength doesn't come until week 2

no insomnia and no night sweats.... im gonna give it a full two weeks, if its real then there really should be some amazing increases or sides by then...

but im continuing to research this lab and im not finding anything good about them from previous produced batches of gear..

**redz** · 02-11-2009, 05:38 PM

I have used this lab in question before the bad batches and after and have never had any issues, if the lab results come up for the gear you didnt get one of the bad batches. The bad batches are not posted on the site. I am currently still using many of their products.

**Immortal Soldier** · 02-11-2009, 05:45 PM

Heard of that happen before with one of my sources but that was a few months ago and new batches were made that worked fine afterwards.

That sucks though, especially the fact that Tren A is expensive.

**Billytk03z** · 02-11-2009, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by redz

I have used this lab in question before the bad batches and after and have never had any issues, if the lab results come up for the gear you didnt get one of the bad batches. The bad batches are not posted on the site. I am currently still using many of their products.

Well... the tren A does not come up when i look up the lab batch, so i guess that is bunk or severly underdosed... the NPP that I have does check out fine when I look it up.. The test P that I have does not come up but it has the new label.... but.... apart from the lab batch checking, all the gear does however check out fine when I check the production numbers of the bottles....

**Immortal Soldier** · 02-11-2009, 05:58 PM

double post

**Billytk03z** · 02-12-2009, 04:48 PM

ok... im on day 8 and absolutley nothing.... I guess im gonna up it to 100mged for the next week and see if that does anything... im guessing that there has to be tren in the vial cuz it has the orange/rusty color that tren normally should have....

we'll see what happens....

**BloodyBillAnderson** · 02-12-2009, 04:53 PM

My only comment about the tren I use is, mooo

**H2Okid** · 02-12-2009, 05:34 PM

your dose sounds a bit low to me, plus it is only 8 days in bro. give it some time. you should honestly feel something from tren by then, but in the 8 days you have been on, how many days have you actually been in the gym?

also, I have done a few Tren cycles, and mine was never orange color. usually yellowish, or even clear. ugl labs though, and all were sickeningly strong. not sure if that applies, but Im saying I dont think it has to be orangish to be good.

Your Test dose seems very low as well. you should be at or around 100mg ed with that, and the same with the Tren. Im not 100% on this as Im pretty new, but cant remember ever reading any cylcles with that low of a dose.

**redz** · 02-12-2009, 05:38 PM

Tren can be different colors depending on the oil used. Also 350mg weekly is not that low for Tren ace. Maybe you had some bad luck with the batches. If you bought from one of the main online sources they may re-issue you gear, I knew a few people who were successful in getting new gear.

**Nitro29** · 02-12-2009, 05:42 PM

Can you taste the tren when you shoot it?? I can always taste it during the injection, I didnt notice it at first, but if you pay attention, you should be able to taste it. If not, and you still dont get any gains pretty soon, it might be your gear. Good luck...nitro

**Sherman01** · 02-12-2009, 05:43 PM

It took me 2.5 weeks to see any bad side effects from my Tren at 50/ed.

**H2Okid** · 02-12-2009, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by redz

Tren can be different colors depending on the oil used. Also 350mg weekly is not that low for Tren ace. Maybe you had some bad luck with the batches. If you bought from one of the main online sources they may re-issue you gear, I knew a few people who were successful in getting new gear.

yeah, it is not that low of a dose, but def on the lower end. for some reason I was thinking he was only shootiing 5 days a wk. if he is indeed taking 350mg wk, he should def feel sides within 2 weeks.

**Billytk03z** · 02-12-2009, 07:11 PM

ok guys.. the color of my gear is yellowish/orangy/rusty colored...

I upped the dose tonight already... I had shot 50mg this morning so tonight before i hit the gym I took another shot of 50mg in the dealt... so 100mg total today and i will continue at 100mg for the next week and see what happens...

as far as someone saying the test is too low, I have to disagree.. it is a fabricated myth (dont know who started it) that test has to be equal or greater to the AAS that you are using... I always use a low dose test in all my cycles to just maintain libido, etc... and ive never had any problems. Imho its just a waste of test if your using a strong AAS along with it cuz the AAS will overpower the test... I suppose its like adding VAR to a tren cycle, its just not worth it and a waste of gear for a negligable differnce...

the thing that im worried about is that I can feel test prop take effect in about 5 or 6 days... shit, even oral tbol i felt strong effects by day 7-8.... so u figure tren A would be just as quick.... anyway im keeping fingers crossed...

**Billytk03z** · 02-13-2009, 08:56 PM

ok guys, on my 9th day of tren ace.... well I dont know what to think... Im feel like im starting to get a little more solid/harder but I think that might be just from the prop.. I do however feel more irratable, my wife is very affectionate to me and she is doing nothing wrong but I feel like im getting annoyed by every little thing, like when she hugs me when im on the computer or asks me how my day was.. Im not an ass to her but i do feel annoyed so i guess maybe thats a sign of a tren side taking place? i have no cough, no sweating and no insomnia as of yet....

anyways.. how long does tren ace usually take to kick in???

**H2Okid** · 02-13-2009, 10:16 PM

it should start. I think from my experience, I noticed it in the gym right away, and not the psyiological stuff first. I alway threw on a couple plates on each side and played with the bar a lil to see how my strength was. I could always tell with the Tren right away(7-14 days). u should be approaching bro.

I have a few pals that run low doses of Test too, and have for a long time, and they seem to like it that way too. I def see your point., esp while running it with Tren. Tren is just so strong!

**H2Okid** · 02-13-2009, 10:18 PM

what is your age?

**fujitsupalm** · 02-13-2009, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Billytk03z

ok guys, on my 9th day of tren ace.... well I dont know what to think... Im feel like im starting to get a little more solid/harder but I think that might be just from the prop.. I do however feel more irratable, my wife is very affectionate to me and she is doing nothing wrong but I feel like im getting annoyed by every little thing, like when she hugs me when im on the computer or asks me how my day was.. Im not an ass to her but i do feel annoyed so i guess maybe thats a sign of a tren side taking place? i have no cough, no sweating and no insomnia as of yet....

anyways.. how long does tren ace usually take to kick in???

As for me, the bad sides didn't kick in till week 3ish / week 4, cant quite recall, but i was having a fun ride at first, cos i was definately getting much better lifts after two weeks, but without sides was my naive innitial thoughts... lol
sweating like a mad man nowadays, insomnia, every morning waking up soaked. so i guess you might just need to give it time, the hardening definately sounds likea good sign along with the mood swings.
oh btw, why did you space out your shots 1 in morning and 1 before workout? i was just wondering bro, no offence in any way.

Hope your gear aint bunk man.

FYI, im kinda using prop at low dose also, 170mg a week, just about keeping my libido. i think tren is doing all the work for me, and lastly my tren is of a light yellow colour, so i guess colour doesnt matter much, as long as it works.

all the best bro....

**UncleD** · 02-14-2009, 09:18 AM

when u have to take 6 advil pm to get 4 hours of shitty sleep then the tren is kickin arse LOL

**redz** · 02-14-2009, 10:42 AM

I sleep like a baby on 400mg of Tren E per week. Lets see how 600mg Tren E with 800mg Test E per week lets me sleep so far soo good but only a week in so far.

**Billytk03z** · 02-14-2009, 03:05 PM

ok guys sorry for all the posts on this subject but im throwin in the towel on this run of Tren Ace... I think its bunk or severely underdosed... either way im on day 10 and feeeling nothing except maybe placebo effect, etc... so I am gonna stop the tren Ace and substitute NPP @ 100mg ed for the rest of the cycle.. I am also gonna run Var @ 60mg ed as well (keeping fingers crossed cuz my var is from same lab and produced during the same period when bad batches were being produced....

**BuffBuffalo** · 02-14-2009, 04:31 PM

Well that sucks man. I wouldve ran it a little bit longer just to be sure, but it's up to you.

**Billytk03z** · 02-15-2009, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by BuffBuffalo

Well that sucks man. I wouldve ran it a little bit longer just to be sure, but it's up to you.

ok, im beginning to think that the tren is real... this morning woke up covered in sweat, my girl couldnt believe how hot and sweaty I was.... she also said that i was breathing very hard throughout the night... even though I havent noticed any noticeable strength gain i do however notice some tightening fullness in my muscles ... I think this stuff is starting to work afterall... but alas I am still gonna discontinue and jump on the NPP/Var.. I was scared going in to tren cycle with all the potential sides and such anyways... so i will save this tren cycle for another future cycle when im ready to go balls to the wall with it....

thanx for all the input bros.....

**gymnerd** · 02-15-2009, 02:27 PM

That sucks bro, I was following this thread hoping things would turn around for ya.

**Billytk03z** · 02-15-2009, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by gymnerd

That sucks bro, I was following this thread hoping things would turn around for ya.

well, in the future Im gonna give the tren a go again, and ill definately revisit this post and update the progress again...

**mmnjtwa** · 02-15-2009, 06:35 PM

I didn't know sweating was a side from tren & I went through the cycle (albeit cut short) without knowing this. Granted I DID sweat in my sleep, but I have always been that way. If I don't sleep without covers and have a fan on I sweat no matter what. It would be even worse when my g/f would sleep on me. As far as insomnia, well I work a day job and a night job so I don't get much chance to sleep as it is lol. I guess tren was made for me haha