A few questions about deca and my 3rd cycle, all oppinions welcome!!!

[tinytom777]

Stats etc...
age:26
height: 5'9
weight: 180pounds
bf: 10%
time training - 4 years
no of cycles: 1 and a half! (will explain this!) - 1st was in may 08, included 10 weeks 500mg weekly of Test E, 4 weeks 30mg D-bol, 0.5mg ed anastrazole, pct 2 weeks after last injection - tamoxifen 40mg ed 1 week then 30mg, 20mg, 10mg..recovered fine, gained 20lbs keept 14-16lb. 2nd cycle did not run smoothly, was going to take sus 250, 500mg weekly and deca 400mg weekly both for 12 weeks (this was 2 months after pct of last cycle) i ran 4 weeks perfectly, strength and size went up as expected but then inadvertently broke the rest of my gear! (was in a cupboard along with my x-box which fell on the glass amps and they smashed!) so i was only able to do 5 weeks, i then ran pct as before...that was 3 months ago and am now ready for next cycle, this will be my only cycle this year and will hopefully limit myself to one cycle per year...

ok so i did have my next cycle planned as follows:

cycle:

drug

Deca - 400mg weeks 1-10 - weeks 11-12 - 200mg weekly
Test E - 500mg weeks 1-10 - weeks 11-12 - 250mg weekly
D-bol - 30mg weeks 1-4
HCG - 500i.u weeks 3-12

pct to start week after last injection (week 13)

PCT

Nolva - 20mg ed week 1-6
exemestane - 25mg ed week 1-4
HCG - 500i.u ed week 1-3
VIT E - 1000i.u ed week 1-3

But i re thought this, as the 6 short weeks i did the deca shut me down hard and has taken about 3-4 months to get me natuarl test back! (bad pct i think and stupidly jumped on 2nd cycle to early, only waited about 2 months before i did), well these are my questions that follow:

better if i substitute deca for 600mgs weekly of equipoise (as less suppressive) or...
drop deca bump test up to 750mg weekly or...
keep cycle same and use aggressive pct?

ok and now some questions about hcg !!!!
anyone's views about using it on cycle and for pct? i would like some opinions as to how people themselves use it as people seem to be divided on the subject!

oh and vit e to help absorption of hcg is that inj or ok in oral form?

cheers guys thanks again!!!

[johnnybigguns]

If deca is shutting you down well your shooting test then your test is bunk.
I would take deca over eq. You only need 200-250mg per week of test to keep you going. Also deca should be stopped 1 week before the test.

[MMArmour]

Stats etc...
age:26
height: 5'9
weight: 180pounds
bf: 10%
time training - 4 years
no of cycles: 1 and a half! (will explain this!) - 1st was in may 08, included 10 weeks 500mg weekly of Test E, 4 weeks 30mg D-bol, 0.5mg ed anastrazole, pct 2 weeks after last injection - tamoxifen 40mg ed 1 week then 30mg, 20mg, 10mg..recovered fine, gained 20lbs keept 14-16lb. 2nd cycle did not run smoothly, was going to take sus 250, 500mg weekly and deca 400mg weekly both for 12 weeks (this was 2 months after pct of last cycle) i ran 4 weeks perfectly, strength and size went up as expected but then inadvertently broke the rest of my gear! (was in a cupboard along with my x-box which fell on the glass amps and they smashed!) so i was only able to do 5 weeks, i then ran pct as before...that was 3 months ago and am now ready for next cycle, this will be my only cycle this year and will hopefully limit myself to one cycle per year...

ok so i did have my next cycle planned as follows:

cycle:

drug

Deca - 400mg weeks 1-10 - weeks 11-12 - 200mg weekly
Test E - 500mg weeks 1-10 - weeks 11-12 - 250mg weekly
D-bol - 30mg weeks 1-4
HCG - 500i.u weeks 3-12

pct to start week after last injection (week 13)

PCT

Nolva - 20mg ed week 1-6
exemestane - 25mg ed week 1-4
HCG - 500i.u ed week 1-3
VIT E - 1000i.u ed week 1-3

But i re thought this, as the 6 short weeks i did the deca shut me down hard and has taken about 3-4 months to get me natuarl test back! (bad pct i think and stupidly jumped on 2nd cycle to early, only waited about 2 months before i did), well these are my questions that follow:

better if i substitute deca for 600mgs weekly of equipoise (as less suppressive) or...
drop deca bump test up to 750mg weekly or...
keep cycle same and use aggressive pct?

ok and now some questions about hcg !!!!
anyone's views about using it on cycle and for pct? i would like some opinions as to how people themselves use it as people seem to be divided on the subject!

oh and vit e to help absorption of hcg is that inj or ok in oral form?

cheers guys thanks again!!!

HOLY SHIT BUDDY! haha

okay here goes

Id do it like this

1-13 wk Test e @ 500mg/wk
1-12wk Deca @ 400mg/wk (this can go up. but will work fine)
1-4wk 30mg dbol (can go up as well, but 30mg is fine)

No need to taper down dosage as you originally listed.

Save the hCG till pct. Drop the other items.

PCT would be
13-15wk hCG @ 500iu e4d (beginning with last injection of test E)
15-20wk Nolva 40/20/20/20
15-20wk Clomid 100/50/50/50

You can run the hCG during cycle but i would instead recommend saving it to bridge between the last injection of test and the time you have to wait for your PCT. It works great.

[tinytom777]

hey cheers guys, so i guess i'll stick to the deca , i do have enough hcg to run my entire cycle and for pct, and why does most people recommend clomid over aromasin to add to my pct along with nolva?

[MMArmour]

hey cheers guys, so i guess i'll stick to the deca, i do have enough hcg to run my entire cycle and for pct, and why does most people recommend clomid over aromasin to add to my pct along with nolva?

You would be fine running all three on your pct.

[tinytom777]

clomid, nolva, aromasin and hcg ??

[MMArmour]

ya but run the hcg before you start the other pct items. get me?

take your first injection of hcg when you take your last injection of AAS.

Use the hcg either IM or subQ and use it @ 500iu at about e4d/e5d (this worked well for me) up until you start the other pct and then kill the hcg.

That how i do it.

[tinytom777]

thanks for that, easy to understand, will use your advice to hone my cycle! thanks again!