since test takes so long....

**MyLiverIsFailing** · 03-06-2009, 07:31 PM

would it make sense to start running my nolva after maybe the 3rd week instead of the whole time..... please dont tell me i need an AI, im using nolva for the estrogen blockage and as the PCT after,.... its what i got and im ok with reduced gains.... but back to my question,.... i just started test enanthate ,... im told not till week 4 will i notice any strength or size so if it doesnt take effect yet i should be ok not on any estrogen blockers right? also, is the fact that im on winstrol right now a chance to speed up the process? thanks all.... -DB

**lord henry** · 03-06-2009, 07:38 PM

only use nolva if you start to see signs of gyno ,useing it other wise is only going to hinder gains ,altrenatvly use adex from the off to control bloat and gyno winstrol wont convert to estrogen so you dont have to worrie about that ,you are useing winnny to kick start?

dont like the sound of that ,you will be waseting it as i will do nothing as a kick start imo ,best used at the end to harden your gains and maybe dry you out a little.

post up your full cycle and pct for us please.

**Nitro29** · 03-06-2009, 07:47 PM

Just for the record, not all test takes so long. Thats why I started using prop. Test E took more like 6 weeks to kick in for me, not 4. Good luck bro...nitro

**MyLiverIsFailing** · 03-06-2009, 08:54 PM

thanks guys - i didnt mean to use winny as a kick start but at the time i got 3 vials i had no other way of getting anything else so i worked with what i had, relunctantly,... i JUST got the enanthate from a newly aquired buddy at a party,.... but to my surprise the (almost)30 days of winny really did a number on my physique.... i do wish tho i had it after to fine tune my test gains but what can ya do.... anyway yeah, my winny is closing in on day 30 and this bump isa growin... im dealing with that on another thread --- anyway my cycle is like this:
*50mg winny ED injected for 30 days (just about done - 2/3more shots)
*starting this past wed. i did 300mg of test E
*every 5 days test E 300 mg (averages about 425mg/wk)
*about 7 weeks on test E total
*i will start the nolva only 10mg ED as soon as it comes in this week and towards the last 3 weeks bump it up to 20,... and after for a few weeks to keep test flowing.... i guess still 20ED ---- sound doable? - thanks again for the advice

**leanmuscle** · 03-06-2009, 10:32 PM

[QUOTE=lord henry;4482156]only use nolva if you start to see signs of gyno ,useing it other wise is only going to hinder gains

Be careful with the nolva. Like henry said it can possibly hinder your gains if your taking it when you dont need it. Great for PCT though.

**MyLiverIsFailing** · 03-06-2009, 11:48 PM

ok - will do - i wonder how dramatic the gain hindering is; probably different for everyone - im guessing around 30-50% of potential gains, ungained.... but thats just a guess based on nothing - ok so i'll hold off... but if the water retention gets too bad i might mess with low dose nolva (5-10mg)- that might affect the gains less

**johnnybigguns** · 03-06-2009, 11:51 PM

Just keep it on the side encase you have sides you need it for no reason to run it if you don't need it

**LATS60** · 03-07-2009, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by MyLiverIsFailing

ok - will do - i wonder how dramatic the gain hindering is; probably different for everyone - im guessing around 30-50% of potential gains, ungained.... but thats just a guess based on nothing - ok so i'll hold off... but if the water retention gets too bad i might mess with low dose nolva (5-10mg)- that might affect the gains less

IF it does reduce gains by the action on our igf system then it would be minimal the aas will offset this anyway by the increase in igf.
Why on earth are you messing with the nolva anyway, and how would it help with serious bloat? think you need to learn about the drugs you are taking.