Help me!!!!

**BA$H33** · 03-10-2009, 12:36 AM

im 6'1" 215 play free safety and am getting ready to play my first yr of college football. i want to stay about the same size, wouldnt mind cutting a few pounds, but mainly i want to increase my speed. i have a cycle of test, winni, dbol , anavar and tbol available to me but am not sure how to stack them. i run a high 4.4 or low 4.5, and my goal is to get to a 4.4 flat by the first day of july, here is my diet as of now.
meal 1: 8 eggs and cup of oatmeal
meal 2: shake
meal 3: half chicken and rice
meal 4: shake
meal 5: same as meal 3
meal 6: ground beef

plz help me out if u can

**Growingpains** · 03-10-2009, 12:50 AM

How much of each compound?

How do you train now?

**BA$H33** · 03-10-2009, 12:57 AM

150 10 mg dbol
40 50 mg winni
12cc's of test e
100 tbol
100 anavar .

an i train athletically but still very hard. not light weight but not super heavy weight alot of reps. stats (bench 375, squat 520, clean 275)

**Immortal Soldier** · 03-10-2009, 01:19 AM

Bro stop making more than one thread on the exact same subject.

You're 19, no one is going to recommend steroids to you.

Use the search function for AAS that are used for speed and read up more because just from several of your threads I get the impression you know little about gear use even if you have done another cycle before.

**JiGGaMaN** · 03-10-2009, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier

Bro stop making more than one thread on the exact same subject.

You're 19, no one is going to recommend steroids to you.

Use the search function for AAS that are used for speed and read up more because just from several of your threads I get the impression you know little about gear use even if you have done another cycle before.

you make a good point however it wont be very convincing to someone who already has the gear in hand.

what mg are the tbol/var?

**Jfew44** · 03-10-2009, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

you make a good point however it wont be very convincing to someone who already has the gear in hand.

what mg are the tbol/var?

Agreed. Also, you're going to need more test. I wouldn't even bother with the dbol as it will cause you to gain unnecessary weight.

**hankdiesel** · 03-10-2009, 09:20 AM

drop the dbol / go with test, anavar , winstrol . You'll need another 10ml bottle of test. something like this:
test 1-12
anavar 1-5,6
winny 8,9 -12
You are pretty young though for steroids . I would really think about it.

**BA$H33** · 03-10-2009, 11:33 AM

the tbol is 10mg an the var is 10mg also. an i realize i am young but im gonna be competing against guys who are anywhere from 20 to 24 and have been doin this stuff for a long time now so i need a lil extra edge.

**The Deuce** · 03-10-2009, 12:08 PM

Ok Bro check this...

I was 19 when I did my FIRST cycle... like an idiot I didn't wait... NOW at 27 I am on TRT for Life because I completely messed myself up. So Now for the rest of my life I have to inject 200 mg of TEST Every other Week (As the prescription reads) if i want to still use my D1CK !!! I was an idiot !!! I just suffered 3 straight months of not being able to get it hard. DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON HOW BAD THAT SUCKED !!!

YOU DON'T WANT THAT DUDE... SERIOUSLY !!! THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU PUT THESE COMPOUNDS IN YOUR BODY. KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES. KNOW THE PENALTY IF YOU DO THIS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

***D7M*** · 03-10-2009, 12:12 PM

I'm not recommending he do the cycle or not, but if he does a proper pct then he'll recover fine, and won't need to worry about TRT at 27.

OP, my advice is if you are gonna do it, thoroughly research it.

**BA$H33** · 03-10-2009, 04:33 PM

for sure thx bro

**Immortal Soldier** · 03-10-2009, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by BA$H33

the tbol is 10mg an the var is 10mg also. an i realize i am young but im gonna be competing against guys who are anywhere from 20 to 24 and have been doin this stuff for a long time now so i need a lil extra edge.

What level college football are you playing?

I know college football players who are strict about what they put in their body due to NCAA testing regulations.

**The Deuce** · 03-10-2009, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by derek7m

if he does a proper pct then he'll recover fine,

True... Very very True... That's where my mistake lied within... ME --->

<--- EVERYONE ELSE **STUPID STUPID STUPID**

LOL... but now in hindsight... lol... I LOVE BEING ON TRT ... but as a public service message to all of you out there... don't do what i did just to get TRT... NOT EVERY DOCTOR IS AS GREAT AS MINE !!! ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS DO A FULL BLOWN AND PROPER PCT !!!

**BA$H33** · 03-10-2009, 07:42 PM

im bout to be in D1 but im red shirting my first year so i wont be getting tested or anything and most of the testing isnt till august anyways. oh an i was wondering, does juice come up in piss tests or just blood tests?

**hankdiesel** · 03-10-2009, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by The Deuce

Ok Bro check this...

I was 19 when I did my FIRST cycle... like an idiot I didn't wait... NOW at 27 I am on TRT for Life because I completely messed myself up. So Now for the rest of my life I have to inject 200 mg of TEST Every other Week (As the prescription reads) if i want to still use my D1CK !!! I was an idiot !!! I just suffered 3 straight months of not being able to get it hard. DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON HOW BAD THAT SUCKED !!!

YOU DON'T WANT THAT DUDE... SERIOUSLY !!! THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU PUT THESE COMPOUNDS IN YOUR BODY. KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES. KNOW THE PENALTY IF YOU DO THIS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

I am curious. Was this abuse? Did you stay on for months on end?

**CHUCKYthentic** · 03-10-2009, 08:29 PM

ya im curious too. what exactly did you do wrong to cause you to go on TRT Deuce?

**BAcapo** · 03-10-2009, 08:45 PM

I wouldn't bother wid winny.. i had a really bad tears in my abductor while on it..test and var are enough..or you can include some EQ,they say it has a positive effect on tendons..stretch ALL the time.. i would also eat a lot of veggies, fruit, and dairy.. and of course like previously mentioned PCT..one last thing, once you start with cycling you will never stop, your performance is just not the same when u're off

**BA$H33** · 03-10-2009, 08:52 PM

i know that taking 2 orals isnt the best idea but i heard some ppl talking about tbol an var...would that be alright since they are both pretty mild on the liver??? an im only like 8 or 9 percent bodyfat so id see pretty good gains wouldnt i?

**BAcapo** · 03-10-2009, 09:05 PM

my last cycle was test e 500mg/wk x 12wk, EQ 300mg/wk x 10wk, dbol 30mg/day wk 1-4, anavar 50mg/day wk 10-14, wk 14-18 nolva/clomid PCT..strength,speed, endurance gains through the roof..2 months off and i've kept most but there is a drop off, especially i feel it in endurance, probably due to lower red blood cell count..anyways u're very young, be careful..i would wait a few more years..think about what would happen if u got caught..or possible long term consequences..make the right decision for YOU..good luck bro

**BA$H33** · 03-10-2009, 09:08 PM

ite thx bruh

**BAcapo** · 03-10-2009, 09:09 PM

i wouldn't take 2 at the same time..and always take a liver protector.. here (argentina) most take tioctic acid

**BA$H33** · 03-10-2009, 09:11 PM

so would milk thistle not be good enough then?

**The Deuce** · 03-11-2009, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by CHUCKYthentic

ya im curious too. what exactly did you do wrong to cause you to go on TRT Deuce?

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

I am curious. Was this abuse? Did you stay on for months on end?

From what I gather... When I was young and dumb... LOL... I did a "Cycle" of just a mess.. I would inject Test Cyp one week... skip it for like 3 weeks meanwhile shoot DECA and Winny with no test.... eat 2 anadrols a day for 8 weeks... and i was getting BIG dont get me wrong thats why I thought I was doing things RIGHT.. No one told me the RIGHT way. I didnt know about PCT. COMPLETE IDIOT MOMENT !!! So I did this for about a year off and on shootin' whatever I could get my hands on. Eating whatever ORAL came my way. JUST OUTRIGHT DUMB !!

Anyways I eventually learned how to cycle appropriately and learned about PCT and all the like. Which is a d@mn good thing. So about 4 months ago... mind you I hadn't cycled for about 16-17 months 4 months ago... My d1ck stops working. I stop getting erections. I stop wanting to have sex. COMPLETE libido drop and I started gaining FAT fast and I was all like WTF is going on here because I had my BLOODWORK done after the completion of my last cycle prior to my bad car accident... ANYWAYS... When I had the bloodwork done they had found that my natty TEST levels and my FH, LSH, Total/Free Test levels were all abnormally LOW. I then explained to my ENDOCRINOLOGIST about my past and what I had done and blah blah blah and he says, "Yes, I feel that is what has caused your body to be responding like this at such a young age.."

Sufficely to say He put me on Test Cyp at 200mgs every Two weeks. And as a knowledgeable AAS user now I know to shoot 50 mgs every 3.5 days. For as long as I wanna be able to have a sexual ability for. So yah that is for the rest of my natural life.

SO WORDS TO ALL OF YOU YOUNG PEOPLE OUT THERE !! WAIT !! KNOW WHAT YOU ARE PUTTING IN YOUR BODY !!! EDUCATE BEFORE YOU FRIGGEN MEDICATE !!! SERIOUSLY !!!