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  1. 03-11-2009, 10:44 AM #1
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    that hard look...

    ok i was going to run the following cycle.

    test cyp 600mg 1-12
    deca 450mg 1-10
    dbol 30mg ed 1-4
    hcg 500 iu weekly 12-14

    pct 18 days after last shot of test cyp

    nolva 40/20/20/20
    clomid 100/50/50/50

    i have run a similar cycle in the passed and gotten good gains, but lacked the muscle hardness i was looking for. my question is what else can i throw in or substitute to get that hard look without sacrificing mass gains. i was thinking maybe running the cycle a little longer and adding anavar and or winny for the last 4-6 weeks. any advice??
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  2. 03-11-2009, 10:54 AM #2
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    set bulk and cut cycles apart. If your going to run this cycle and have all the gear run it....finish up pct and run another cut cycle, maybe test e/winny or tren /prop/winny
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  3. 03-11-2009, 10:59 AM #3
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    I would start pct 2 weeks after last test shot. If you want that hard look at the end of this cycle you can throw winny in weeks 8-14. Or just do another cutting cycle after some time off.
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  4. 03-11-2009, 10:59 AM #4
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    right after pct? or do i wait a couple months to start the cutting cycle
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  5. 03-11-2009, 11:03 AM #5
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    You want that hard look then you have to make your diet much stricter and cardio your ass off bro...that hard look is hard work..the compounds help bro...that cycle you mention will have you holding a bunch water ..Cyp, Dbol and deca ..
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  6. 03-11-2009, 11:10 AM #6
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    my ultimate goal is 200lbs at 8% bf. right now im about 185 12% thats why i wanna bulk
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  7. 03-11-2009, 11:24 AM #7
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    well adding in some A-Dex could help with holding some water. And like bigmax said, cardio and diet hard.
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  8. 03-11-2009, 11:27 AM #8
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    how bout proviron ? i know i can get that. is it the same as arimidex ?
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  9. 03-11-2009, 11:32 AM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Oz View Post
    how bout proviron? i know i can get that. is it the same as arimidex?
    never mind.. i just read about proviron ..
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  10. 03-11-2009, 12:29 PM #10
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    Throw in cardio. I know that's not the answer you are wanting to hear but I assure you it is the correct one.
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  11. 03-11-2009, 12:30 PM #11
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    you wont get tht hard look with deca . That stuff makes me hold water even if i use arimidex or nolva
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  12. 03-11-2009, 12:31 PM #12
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    Halo's !!!!!! Dude ... If you are experienced enough ... Halotestin all the way !!!
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