DBol/Test/Deca advice

**newtoroids21** · 03-15-2009, 11:49 AM

Hi there, i am planning my third cycle which will look like so...

Weeks 1-4: Dianabol at 35mg per day
Weeks 1-10: Test E, Test C or Sus at 500mg per week (prob test e)
Weeks 1-5: Deca at 400mg per week

The reason i can only run the deca for 5 weeks is financial (1 bottle of 200mg/ml)...

I will have tamoxifen on hand incase of gyno, if gyno appears i will run the tamoxifen at 20mg per day until it clears up...

Clomid for PCT

any advice? should i run something else instead of deca? -equipoise ?

**Big** · 03-15-2009, 11:55 AM

deca needs to be used for at least 10 weeks and the test needs to be run longer than the deca, I wouldn't even bother running deca for 5 weeks.

**CHUCKYthentic** · 03-15-2009, 11:59 AM

save the deca for a future cycle, itll be a waste of your money to use it 5 weeks

nolva and clomid for pct

**newtoroids21** · 03-15-2009, 12:05 PM

ok thanks for the advice guys... should i run eq at the same dosage/time span as i was going to run the deca or just run test and dbol ? btw tamoxifen makes me mega depressed which is why i would rather only run it if gyno appears

**johnnybigguns** · 03-15-2009, 12:05 PM

I would go with test e or c over the sust.
Deca is a complete waste that short.

**johnnybigguns** · 03-15-2009, 12:06 PM

Again eq would be a complete waste that short.
I would just go test dbol unless you can get more deca .

**CHUCKYthentic** · 03-15-2009, 12:08 PM

same scenario with eq, needs to be run longer. ya just stick with the test and dbol for now

if tamox makes you too depressed you re just gonna have to deal with it, i wouldnt suggest not using it for pct

**newtoroids21** · 03-15-2009, 12:11 PM

ok thanks...itl prob be test e i choose...why do u say choose e or c over sus btw? and should i take 250mg test every 4 days(what i did my first time)....or just 1 500mg jag say every monday?does it matter?

btw i was told vitamin c stops you looking puffy/bloated from the dbol ...any truth in this?

**Big** · 03-15-2009, 12:11 PM

out of curiosity,
age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?
cycle history?

**Big** · 03-15-2009, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by newtoroids21

ok thanks...itl prob be test e i choose...why do u say choose e or c over sus btw? and should i take 250mg test every 4 days(what i did my first time)....or just 1 500mg jag say every monday?does it matter?

btw i was told vitamin c stops you looking puffy/bloated from the dbol...any truth in this?

most prefer a single ester compound over a blend, it's easier to keep stable blood levels.
long esters should be shot every 3.5 days or pretty close to that.
and no, vitamin c won't be the answer to bloat, to counter bloat drink plenty of water, minimise sodium intake, and if needed use an ai like arimidex .

**johnnybigguns** · 03-15-2009, 12:15 PM

You should 2 do shots a week of 250mg.
Do to the multiple esters in the sust you have to shot it every other day.
And an even blood concentration is harder to acheive.
Low sodium intake and drinking lots of water will help bloat some.
I have never seen anything about vita c doing anything.
I wouldn't worry about the bloat unless you really need to hide it.

**CHUCKYthentic** · 03-15-2009, 12:15 PM

split your shots up 250mg 3.5 days

never heard of vitamin c keeping bloat down, if your worried about bloat use an AI

**newtoroids21** · 03-15-2009, 12:15 PM

age 21
height about 5'8
not sure about weight or bf% must get that checked,but id say i have a lowish bf% (not much help i know)

cycle history test cyp 500mg per week/10 weeks and superdrol at 10/20/40

**Big** · 03-15-2009, 12:17 PM

wow I've never known anyone who was considering steroids but didn't know what they weighed, and you've already cycled?

**CHUCKYthentic** · 03-15-2009, 12:18 PM

you have to know around what u weigh, give us a guess

i dont know anyone that lifts weights or uses AAS that doesnt know their own weight!

**newtoroids21** · 03-15-2009, 12:21 PM

lol i must be a first then... i have no scales here

i will find out asap... does it make a difference to my cycle?

could poviron be used to stop bloat/puffyness? how should it be run

**CHUCKYthentic** · 03-15-2009, 12:24 PM

yes weight can make a difference

**Big** · 03-15-2009, 12:24 PM

we wouldn't have asked if it didn't make a difference.

**newtoroids21** · 03-15-2009, 12:29 PM

well let me reword it then. what difference does it make? dosages or what? same q applies to bodyfat % ... just curious

**CHUCKYthentic** · 03-15-2009, 12:31 PM

in many's opinion, it can determine rather you should even cycle

**Big** · 03-15-2009, 12:36 PM

well here are 2 scenarios that occur here almost every day:
member A joins the board, wants to bulk, thinks he needs steroids . we ask his stats, he's 18, 6' tall, and 130lbs. we ask what his diet is, he eats a few bowls of cereal, a banana, and 7 protein shakes a day, and wonders why we aren't answering his questions about what steroids he needs to get big.
member B joins the board, wants to cut, thinks he needs steroids. we ask his stats, he's 35, 5'8", 254lbs, 30%bf. we ask what his diet is, he doesn't really have one, and wonders why we aren't answering his questions about what steroids he needs to cut.
steroids are in no way a replacement for proper diet and training, yet we get guys every day who don't seem to realize that. we want to help people achieve their goals, in the safest and healthiest ways possible. cycling when the body is not ready can lead to blood pressure problems, estrogen related sides, etc. we generally tell people what they need to hear whether it's what they want to hear or not.
I'm certainly not saying you fit into either of those groups, just explaining why we ask those questions to everyone wanting to cycle.