Is 16 weeks too long for test c?

**bodybuilder200** · 03-15-2009, 06:59 PM

Hey guys,

Just one simple question. Is 16 weeks too long for test c?

**Big** · 03-15-2009, 06:59 PM

nope, but...

**Phate** · 03-15-2009, 07:03 PM

stats?
age
weight
height
bf%
training exp
cycle exp
pct?
diet?

**bodybuilder200** · 03-15-2009, 07:07 PM

but what?

**Matt** · 03-15-2009, 07:10 PM

But you need to give stats lol...

**The Deuce** · 03-15-2009, 07:23 PM

I think 16 weeks is the PERFECT time frame to run an ESTER like CYP or ENAN...

BUT...

Like everyone else has said... STATS !!

**Phate** · 03-15-2009, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by The Deuce

I think 16 weeks is the PERFECT time frame to run an ESTER like CYP or ENAN...

BUT...

Like everyone else has said... STATS !!

really, i personally think that 15.659847598562 weeks is the perfect time frame, but the injection schedule is a pain, i would have to inject in the middle of class down to the second and i don't think my professor would like that, lol

**The Deuce** · 03-15-2009, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

really, i personally think that 15.659847598562 weeks is the perfect time frame, but the injection schedule is a pain, i would have to inject in the middle of class down to the second and i don't think my professor would like that, lol

LOL !!! Why not?? He not into that sorta thing?? Just explain to him the BENEFITS of TESTOSTERONE and HOW that if he has low test he has a whole slew of problems that could arise... all the way from increased risk of Heart attack, stroke, increased irritability, no libido, ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION, and many many other bad things can happen from having LOW TESTOSTERONE ... SO I THINK EVERYONE (MALE) Should be on IT !!!

***RAGE*** · 03-15-2009, 07:33 PM

I remember this guy bodybuilder200....didnt we tell you before you were to young for the gear....

***RAGE*** · 03-15-2009, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by The Deuce

LOL !!! Why not?? He not into that sorta thing?? Just explain to him the BENEFITS of TESTOSTERONE and HOW that if he has low test he has a whole slew of problems that could arise... all the way from increased risk of Heart attack, stroke, increased irritability, no libido, ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION, and many many other bad things can happen from having LOW TESTOSTERONE ... SO I THINK EVERYONE (MALE) Should be on IT !!!

agreed..

**bodybuilder200** · 03-15-2009, 09:49 PM

Hey idiot. You never told me that. Because I'm 22. You want my stats, here is my stats

22
6'2''
195 lbs.
Been lifting 3 years

U satisfied?

**Phate** · 03-15-2009, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder200

Hey idiot. You never told me that. Because I'm 22. You want my stats, here is my stats

22
6'2''
195 lbs.
Been lifting 3 years

U satisfied?

what's up, the name's actually phate, but i'll go with that

you have a good bit of natural gaining you can still do, whats your diet like

**bodybuilder200** · 03-15-2009, 10:00 PM

Sorry for the anger...test c lol.

Phate,

My diet goes like this

Morning
4 eggs, 2 slices of wheat toast.
protien shake

lunch

1 extra large can of tuna (don't eat every day bc of mercury)
2 glasses of milk, 2%
peanut butter, 2 servings

afternoon

3 chicken breasts
1 baked potato
1 glass of juice

dinner

1/2 pound red meat
2 servings of cottage cheese
2 servings of vegetables
large salad with low fat bleu cheese

after dinner,

protien shake and if I'm still hungry... as much baby carrots as I can eat

**Phate** · 03-15-2009, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder200

Sorry for the anger...test c lol.

Phate,

My diet goes like this

Morning
4 eggs, 2 slices of wheat toast.
protien shake

lunch

1 extra large can of tuna (don't eat every day bc of mercury)
2 glasses of milk, 2%
peanut butter, 2 servings

afternoon

3 chicken breasts
1 baked potato
1 glass of juice

dinner

1/2 pound red meat
2 servings of cottage cheese
2 servings of vegetables
large salad with low fat bleu cheese

after dinner,

protien shake and if I'm still hungry... as much baby carrots as I can eat

yeah, this could use major work, we'll need macros to go more detailed

**bodybuilder200** · 03-15-2009, 10:06 PM

what needs work? This is basically the diet in the bb encyclopedia

***RAGE*** · 03-15-2009, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder200

Sorry for the anger...test c lol.

Phate,

My diet goes like this

Morning
4 eggs, 2 slices of wheat toast.
protien shake

lunch

1 extra large can of tuna (don't eat every day bc of mercury)
2 glasses of milk, 2%
peanut butter, 2 servings

afternoon

3 chicken breasts
1 baked potato
1 glass of juice

dinner

1/2 pound red meat
2 servings of cottage cheese
2 servings of vegetables
large salad with low fat bleu cheese

after dinner,

protien shake and if I'm still hungry... as much baby carrots as I can eat

your to young like I have told you before....

your diet sucks, this diet is from probodybuilder.com

good luck

***Note: This diet is designed assuming all things are perfect. Assuming that the individual who will use this diet is following all guidelines perfectly, is in perfect health, has had a positive genetic response to the beginner diet, and is not someone who suffers from some type of metabolism dysfunction. If the individual is someone who recently lost a lot of weight using the beginner diet from probodybuilding.com or any other diet, they should not jump immediately to this diet. They should hold their new weight for an extended amount of time; 12 weeks minimum. Otherwise, if this person does not, he will indeed gain a massive amount of body fat very quickly

***Intermediate Meal Plan***

When time is a factor first thing in the morning, simply mix in a shaker bottle your 40g of whey, 1tbsp of PB and your oats. Shake and drink. It may sound unappealing but you’ll find it’s not that bad.

Many will choose to simply drink their egg whites for convenience. Sounds gross but they have no taste. Use actual egg whites, not egg product.

Another good time saving factor is the 3rd option. Mix it all together in a protein shaker; add in one packet of Splenda shake and drink.

Option one is best and carries the most fat but healthy fats

KCL: 706-741, PT: 49-59, Carb: 59-60, Fat: 22-30

Meal 1:

-4 egg whites or liquid equivalent

-5 whole *****-3 eggs

-1 cup of oatmeal

Or:

-40 grams whey isolate powder

-2 tbsp natural peanut butter

-1 cup of oatmeal

Or:

-20 grams whey isolate powder

-1 cup liquid egg whites

-2tbsp natural peanut butter

-1 cup of oatmeal

Peanut butter mixes easily with your whey. You do not have to do this but doing so is fine.

How you cook your steak makes no difference. Grilled, baked or pan cooked with Pam is great.

Green vegetables should not have added ingredients such as cheese or butter.

KCL: 426-430, PT: 45-48, Carb: 5-10, Fat: 20-25

Meal 2:

-40 grams whey isolate powder mixed in water

-2tbsp of natural peanut butter

Or:

-6oz filet or lean beef

-green vegetables or green salad

Baking, grilling or boiling your chicken is the easiest. Cook enough to last you several days as well as the rice.

Sweet potatoes can be cooked quickly in the microwave. Just poke a few holes in the skin with a knife or fork

Choose “Normal” size sweet potatoes or one very large one.

Brown rice is healthier but white is fine

KCL: 784-868, PT: 57-60, Carb: 55-65, Fat: 25-28

Meal 3:

-8oz chicken breast, turkey or fish

-1 cup rice

-2oz almonds or cashews

-green vegetables

Or:

-8oz chicken breast, turkey or fish

-2 sweet potato

-2oz almonds or cashews

-green vegetables

Mix it up to help with variety

KCL: 706-741, PT: 49-59, Carb: 59-60, Fat: 22-30

Meal 4:

-Same as meal 1

You should never add sugar to your Oats, Splenda is fine

KCL: 784-868, PT: 57-60, Carb: 55-65, Fat: 25-28

Meal 5:

-Same as meal 3

Last meal of the day, it should be eaten not too far off before bedtime. Being hungry before you go to bed is never any fun.

There are no carbs in this meal since you don’t need them. You’ve already trained, you’ve already had your post workout shake

KCL: KCL: 450-480, PT: 40-45, Carb: 0-10, Fat: 10-20

Meal6:

-8 egg whites or liquid equivalent

-2 whole *****-3 eggs

Or:

- 6oz filet or lean beef

Or:

-40 grams whey isolate mixed in water

-2tbsp natural peanut butter

Drink this immediately after training, within 15-20 minutes after you have cooled down.

This meal is not your last meal of the day, which is still meal 6. Place the post workout shake in right after you train, whenever that is.

Have your next meal approximately 45-60 minutes after your shake.

KCL: 240-280, PT: 20, Carb: 30-40, Fat: 0-2

***Post Workout Shake***

-20 grams of whey isolate

-30-40 grams of a fast acting carb such as:

-Waxy Maze

-Dextrose Powder

-Banana’s

Daily Totals:

Calories (KCL): 4096-4408

Protein (PT): 317-347

Carb: 263-310

Fat: 124-163

*Note: Diet does not take into account carbs from green vegetables. This will take your carb total over the amount listed but don’t let this worry you at all. Good news is, although on paper it looks very low in carbs, you will have more then enough energy to train. Further, you will be eating a substantial amount of “Good” fat to fuel your training more then adequately.

***VERY IMPORTANT***

Our number one goal is QUALITY, NOT QUANTITY. Because of this, it is imperative that we stay within approximately 15lbs of our contest weight; this does not include water loss weight. If you are not a competitor, you should still follow this rule; you will look better and you will feel better.

*If at any time you begin moving beyond this point, you need to examine your diet. Use the advice given in this diet guide, examine your cardio schedule, and seek out the advice of an approved probodybuilding.com trainer.

***IF AT ANY TIME YOU NEED TO LOSE BODY FAT AND YOU BEGIN TO STAGNATE, YOU WILL NEED TO BEGIN MOVING YOUR CARB AND FAT SOURCES AROUND.

-At this point alternate each meal, in one meal have foods that give you carb sources, but take away the fats, in the next meal take away the carb sources and keep in the fats.

-You may need to begin cycling your carb intake. Not in the manner in which you might do if you were dieting hard for competition, you’ll need to experiment with this, you are strongly advised to seek out the advice of an approved probodybuilding.com trainer.

-When we speak of “Carb Cycling” in this case, simply cut the carbs down one day and then go back to the normal amount the next. At times it may be wise to keep the carbs cut back 2 days in a row, use sound judgment; this is the kind of thing that cannot be written out in detail since it would greatly vary from person to person.

*Your daily caloric intake should be split into 3 sections that are adequately planned for utilizing Proteins, Carbs and Fats to the fullest extent possible. Protein being the bulk of your calories but this does not mean the other 2 nutrients are not of equal importance. Protein will make up 50% of your daily intake, while carbs will be at approximately 30% and fats will make up approximately the remaining 20%. Now this only refers to your actual food intake. Fat intake will in actuality be slightly higher than this due to the supplements you take, which will be discussed further into the diet outline.

***Notes on diet***

If you train first thing in the morning, do not do so before eating your first meal of the day

There is a post workout shake in your diet at this point, however if you notice that you are gaining to accumulate too much fat, this is the first thing that should go. If this happens, drop the post workout shake and simply stick with the 6 meal plan.

If you have had to cut the post workout shake but are still gaining too much fat, start reducing carbs by way of cutting back your oats and rice. Cut back to 1/2cup per serving if needed.

Meal order is unimportant, specific meals should be eaten at certain times, as said in bullet points above, however, the specific layout of the meal plan is not set in stone…make it fit your routine as best as possible.

**Phate** · 03-15-2009, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder200

what needs work? This is basically the diet in the bb encyclopedia

you need more meals 4 doesn't cut it, and overall not enough food IMO(but i need to see macros to confirm this)

where is your PWO?

**bodybuilder200** · 03-15-2009, 10:12 PM

Pwo?

**Big** · 03-15-2009, 10:14 PM

pwo = post work out

***RAGE*** · 03-15-2009, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder200

Pwo?

Post workout

**bodybuilder200** · 03-15-2009, 10:17 PM

Post workout meal is the dinner meal.

**Phate** · 03-15-2009, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder200

Post workout meal is the dinner meal.

so where are the carbs in it?

**bodybuilder200** · 03-15-2009, 10:21 PM

I usually try to drink a powerade immediately after the workout, but actually I add in either wheat toast or a baked potato, which ever I did not eat post workout.

**Malbevisstheten** · 03-15-2009, 10:23 PM

Dude, you weigh 195. If you have to rely on 16 weeks of what I'm guessing is a "moderate" dose of gear, you're never going to be big. Get your diet right and train your ass off a few more years.

**twinn** · 03-15-2009, 10:26 PM

hey is this reasonable i was talked into taking 1 cc of tes for 5 weekeks then 2 cc for 4 weeks and the last week 1cc. but i was thinking 8 weeks of tes and then a 6 week cycle of decca

**forza nuova** · 03-15-2009, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder200

Hey guys,

Just one simple question. Is 16 weeks too long for test c?

BRO ,16 weeks is perfect for test e or c,just have hcg on hand,my boys go bye bye at week 8/9.
with the diet ,eat healthy eat like a pig .you`ll be fine,
your are a little light,,,good luck

**Big** · 03-15-2009, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by twinn

hey is this reasonable i was talked into taking 1 cc of tes for 5 weekeks then 2 cc for 4 weeks and the last week 1cc. but i was thinking 8 weeks of tes and then a 6 week cycle of decca

No, it's not reasonable. Start your own thread and we'll tell you why...

**bodybuilder200** · 03-15-2009, 10:32 PM

I do have some HCG , and I want to use it for pct. Thanks for the encouragement, also, check out my T3 post, I need help with that.

**twinn** · 03-15-2009, 10:34 PM

apologize new at this and couldn't figure out how start a new thread..

***RAGE*** · 03-15-2009, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder200

I do have some HCG, and I want to use it for pct. Thanks for the encouragement, also, check out my T3 post, I need help with that.

all you have for a PCT is HCG ?

***RAGE*** · 03-15-2009, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by forza nuova

BRO ,16 weeks is perfect for test e or c,just have hcg on hand,my boys go bye bye at week 8/9.
with the diet ,eat healthy eat like a pig .you`ll be fine,
your are a little light,,,good luck

Did you read the this thread before you posted?

**bodybuilder200** · 03-15-2009, 10:38 PM

Heck no, clomid as well

***RAGE*** · 03-15-2009, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder200

Heck no, clomid as well

Ok let me get this right so you HCG and clomid....so how are you going to run a PCT?

**bodybuilder200** · 03-15-2009, 10:40 PM

Thats not for a while, so I'l worry about it later. What's your answer to the question?

***RAGE*** · 03-15-2009, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder200

Thats not for a while, so I'l worry about it later. What's your answer to the question?

I am going to be honest..

My answer to the question is

yet again you are to young to cycle...

you have no clue what you are doing...

your diet sucks..

Not sure if you have already started

yes 16 weeks is fine

not haveing a PCT planned before starting a cycle is dumb

you need to stop starting threads and do some research.....

**forza nuova** · 03-16-2009, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by prone2rage

I am going to be honest..

My answer to the question is

yet again you are to young to cycle...

you have no clue what you are doing...

your diet sucks..

Not sure if you have already started

yes 16 weeks is fine

not haveing a PCT planned before starting a cycle is dumb

you need to stop starting threads and do some research.....

Did you read the this thread before you posted?

**bodybuilder200** · 03-16-2009, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by prone2rage

I am going to be honest..

My answer to the question is

yet again you are to young to cycle...

you have no clue what you are doing...

your diet sucks..

Not sure if you have already started

yes 16 weeks is fine

not haveing a PCT planned before starting a cycle is dumb

you need to stop starting threads and do some research.....

Get a life. First of all your name is PronetoRage, which obiously means you are small, because you have to get a name that makes you look big. Secondly, my diet is fine, and just because I don't measure out the amount of oz and cups of chicken and all that other stuff I eat doesn't mean my diet sucks. I honestly don't have time to do that, and you obiously do. I am going off the diet straight from the bb encyclopedia by the greatest bodybuilder of all time, Arnold, and if you think its crap because it's not "up to date with the newest scienfic results', then I really don't care, because they used to say that smoking was good for you, and look at it now. If you want to insult people, that's good for you, because I don't see any IFBB Pro under your 'big and huge' screenname, then I don't want to hear anything else from you.

**Phate** · 03-16-2009, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder200

Get a life. First of all your name is PronetoRage, which obiously means you are small, because you have to get a name that makes you look big. Secondly, my diet is fine, and just because I don't measure out the amount of oz and cups of chicken and all that other stuff I eat doesn't mean my diet sucks. I honestly don't have time to do that, and you obiously do. I am going off the diet straight from the bb encyclopedia by the greatest bodybuilder of all time, Arnold, and if you think its crap because it's not "up to date with the newest scienfic results', then I really don't care, because they used to say that smoking was good for you, and look at it now. If you want to insult people, that's good for you, because I don't see any IFBB Pro under your 'big and huge' screenname, then I don't want to hear anything else from you.

WOW!

i guess you know more than all of us, so have fun with your cycle

***RAGE*** · 03-16-2009, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder200

Get a life. First of all your name is PronetoRage, which obiously means you are small, because you have to get a name that makes you look big. Secondly, my diet is fine, and just because I don't measure out the amount of oz and cups of chicken and all that other stuff I eat doesn't mean my diet sucks. I honestly don't have time to do that, and you obiously do. I am going off the diet straight from the bb encyclopedia by the greatest bodybuilder of all time, Arnold, and if you think its crap because it's not "up to date with the newest scienfic results', then I really don't care, because they used to say that smoking was good for you, and look at it now. If you want to insult people, that's good for you, because I don't see any IFBB Pro under your 'big and huge' screenname, then I don't want to hear anything else from you.

Your asked for answers but then you dont want to listen

**tripmachine** · 03-16-2009, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

WOW!

i guess you know more than all of us, so have fun with your cycle

LOL people and their selective hearing..... wants advice but doesn't want to take advice he doesn't like to hear...... hmmmm..... sounds to me like someone needs to age a feeeew more years! lol good luck son.