Doing it right

**DangerDave** · 03-17-2009, 01:01 PM

Hi guys,I have never taken a cycle before and am in no rush to do so without the appropriate knowledge. Im 21 now and am willing to wait till my diet is perfect before starting my first cycle. My training has been perfect for a few years now so Im no newbie to this sport.

So far this is my idea of my first cycle

:

Equipoise : week 1 to 12 at 600mgs/week
Test Prop: week 6 to 12 at 300mgs/week
Arimidex : week 8 to 16 at .5mgs a day
Clomid: week 13 to 16 first at 150mgs/day for 10 days then 50 mgs/day till the end of week 16

Im only 5 ft 6 in and already looking a bit like a muscle bound block so I dont want to end up looking like a complete brick. At perfect bulking diet (which I have been working on for some time) how much weight can i expect to gain? any ideas would be welcome as well as advice concerning my cycle draft.

**The_Dark** · 03-17-2009, 01:11 PM

I see your natural test is still at the peakin stage(you're still young and not even 24!). I would suggest that you forget bout it first. Anyway, state your daily diet rountine, bodyfat, etc so that we can help you more.

**Mammon** · 03-17-2009, 01:13 PM

why would you start test week 6?
dont need the eq in a first cycle anyway. test only would be fine.
might consider a longer ester as well so you dont have to inj ed/eod your first run.

also pct would start 3 weeks after EQ..

continue with the research.. lots to learn. know exactly whay your doing before deciding to run anything. from reading your post that sounds like the plan anyway.

**british bulldog 1** · 03-17-2009, 01:19 PM

sustanon 250 and deca or dbol is great for newbies that r looking for size

**Bigmax** · 03-17-2009, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by british bulldog 1

sustanon 250 and deca or dbol is great for newbies that r looking for size

Sustanon for newbies?????...please explain why..

**DangerDave** · 03-17-2009, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by The_Dark

I see your natural test is still at the peakin stage(you're still young and not even 24!). I would suggest that you forget bout it first. Anyway, state your daily diet rountine, bodyfat, etc so that we can help you more.

24 seems like such a long wait. But in the interest of learning why not now? Surely my natural test would not be equal to a steroid ? enlighten me pls. Dont wanna state my diet just yet, still a work in progress (I am working according to my BMR however). Im 21, 5 ft 6 in, 175 lbs. No idea what my bodyfat % is. Can still see my six pack so it cant be too bad. I believe my training is tip top. As far as goals go, I would like quality over quantity.

Originally Posted by Mammon

why would you start test week 6?
dont need the eq in a first cycle anyway. test only would be fine.
might consider a longer ester as well so you dont have to inj ed/eod your first run.

also pct would start 3 weeks after EQ..

continue with the research.. lots to learn. know exactly whay your doing before deciding to run anything. from reading your post that sounds like the plan anyway.

Thought test week 6 cos I would rather not be on for more than 6 weeks. Scared I gain too much, nly really running the test cos I was advised to and after what I have read I must agree. The reason I chose the EQ is cos as i said above I want quality over quantity and EQ seems to be the best at that.

Was thinking I would run the dex throughout as an anti-aromatise. Ok so the clomid only 3 weeks after, does that include the dex or is it fine to run it throughout?

Tks for the feedback and as I said I wanna learn and am in no rush so more feedback would be much appreciated.

***T-MOS*** · 03-17-2009, 01:51 PM

if you are determined to do a cycle now and not wait, Just do ONE COMPOUND ONLY

a single ester test like Test E or Test Cyp for 12 weeks

using more compounds isn't smart as you won't know which compound is doing what to your body, both good and bad!!

make sure you have PCT in your hands and planned out before ever starting

***T-MOS*** · 03-17-2009, 01:55 PM

ALSO, its more than a matter of having MORE test in you at your age.

at any age taking steroids is gonna give you a LOT more test than what the body naturally makes.

The point here is that you have a ton of natural hormones running through you now. WHY would you want to shut that off and RISK not getting it back turned after your cylce and losing all that natural test that is running in you now. That is why it is best to wait until your natural levels are already on the decline after age 24-25,

**DangerDave** · 03-19-2009, 04:09 AM

I hear ya T mos. Though Im sure you guys can relate, its such a long wait. Gonna have to sleep on it. What I will say is that I wont start until Im perfectly satisfied with my diet and have given it a few months to take action and be perfected. Also have a few injuries I need to sort out first. I appreciate the info and the feedback guys.

**jamyjamjr** · 03-19-2009, 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by Bigmax

Sustanon for newbies?????...please explain why..

i love sust.. thats what i started off with.. dont mind eod injections... shit dont mind ed injections either

**wackod2** · 03-19-2009, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by jamyjamjr

i love sust.. thats what i started off with.. dont mind eod injections... shit dont mind ed injections either

yeahs feels so good, i wish i went with prop I love stabbing lol

***T-MOS*** · 03-19-2009, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by DangerDave

I hear ya T mos. Though Im sure you guys can relate, its such a long wait. Gonna have to sleep on it. What I will say is that I wont start until Im perfectly satisfied with my diet and have given it a few months to take action and be perfected. Also have a few injuries I need to sort out first. I appreciate the info and the feedback guys.

I understand your impatience, but you only get one body. I waited until I was 34-35 before I ever started steroids ...

You can make a lot of natural progress at your age, then you will be BETTER prepared to make the most with the least amount of steroids. JMHO